Books/Pseudonyms223 messages

In addition to the now mentioned Wouter Walden , Hans de La Rive Box also wrote under the pseudonyms Madelon van Ingen , Mies Loman and Nonnie Welden . There was only one book in the catalog. I have changed that, but the pseudonyms still need to be added to Hans de la RIve Box

Done.

Robert Jordan from The Wheel of Time was born James Oliver Rigney. Jordan is his pseudonym.

Done.

The whole pseudonym thing takes on ridiculous proportions when you go to export your collection.

Apparently I don't have any books by Lee Child, Robert Jordan, and so on.
Oh wait, them are listed under their real name ...

Absolutely unworkable!

Problem is known.
And with the new search engine it has also become slightly larger.
In the aggregated area search results in the catalog, the pseudonym is no longer behind the real name. Very difficult.

We, as administrators of the record section, have also reported this. It's passed to the programmers, just waiting for the fix.

Robert Jordan is een van mij favoriete schrijvers.

Als ik Robert Jordan opzoek via alle schrijvers dan vind ik 1 exemplaar dat ik toevallig zelf ingevoerd heb en blijkbaar nog niet door de beheerders is aangepast.

Door een willekeurige titel in te tikken kom ik er achter dat  zijn eigennaam James Oliver Rigney is.

Daar ben ik totaal niet in geinteresseerd. Dat is informatie  die naar voren dient te komen als ik  de verdere info van die schrijver wil weten. Robert Jordan is de naam waaronder hij bekend is, dat is de naam op het boek en dat is de zoekingang.

Dat de naam aan elkaar gelinkt is en als je  de een intikt dat je dan beide krijgt, oke dat kan

Als ik naar de zoekbalk ga, dan wordt het ook wel duidelijk , want dan duiken beide namen afzonderlijk op.

Dit systeem vraagt om dubbele invoer. De naam op het boek moet heilig zijn en de rest is onderliggende informatie, belangrijk maar ondergeschikt.

Het zou hetzelfde zijn als je een plaat van Willie Alberti alleen kan vinden onder de naam Verbruggen.

Als niet bekend is dat de naam een pseudoniem is, dan kan blijkbaar iets wel onder artiestennaam totdat iemand er achterkomt dat het niet de naam op de geboorteakte is.

Ik vind dit nog steeds zeer onbevredigend. De zoekmachine zou mij automatisch moeten doorlussen, maar alleen omdat ik weet dat er series boeken van deze schrijver zijn, ga ik verder zoeken en inderdaad de naam omwisselen voor de echte naam en dan  het pseudoniem tussen haakjes kan ook nog.

Robert Jordan is one of my favorite writers.

When I look up Robert Jordan through all writers, I find 1 copy that I happened to have entered myself and apparently has not yet been modified by the administrators.

By typing in a random title I find out that his proper name is James Oliver Rigney.

I'm not interested in that at all. That is information that should come forward if I want to know further information from that writer. Robert Jordan is the name by which he is known, that is the name on the book and that is the access point.

That the name is linked to each other and if you type one that you get both, okay that's possible

When I go to the search bar, it also becomes clear, because then both names pop up separately.

This system asks for double entry. The name on the book must be sacred and the rest is underlying information, important but secondary.

It would be the same if you could only find a Willie Alberti record under the name Verbruggen.

If it is not known that the name is a pseudonym, then apparently something can be done under a stage name until someone finds out that it is not the name on the birth certificate.

I still find this very unsatisfactory. The search engine should automatically loop me through, but only because I know there are series of books by this author, I will continue searching and indeed swap the name for the real name and then the pseudonym in parentheses as well.

The new search engine no longer puts the pseudonyms in parentheses after the results. Has already been reported, because it is indeed terribly difficult.

The new search engine no longer puts the pseudonyms in parentheses after the results. Has already been reported, because it is indeed terribly difficult.

This should now be fixed. If you come across names where this is missing, please let us know.

Hooray! Robert Long and Phiny Dick are back! What bothers me is that something so essential has not been dealt with faster, as this is not a goodie, but a necessary basic functionality. I hope everyone at Catawiki is convinced of that by now, isn't it?

It would be the same if you could only find a record by Willie Alberti under the name Verbruggen.

And let me just recently mentioned that in the admin forum! Because Willie Alberti is indeed under the name Verbruggen, Carel. However, if you search for Willie Alberti, Carel Verbruggen will end up in the search results, so he can be found.

This is already a lot of progress. Now "within" the catalog. Suppose I want to know which books by Piet Gray have been published by Querido. Then I go to publishers and select Querido. At the top I get a number of drop-down menus, including that of the author. I am looking for Piet Gray at the P and G, but I cannot find him. He can be found under his real name: Hugo Brandt-Corstius. But if you don't know ...

The problem is probably even bigger with records and CDs, as Disney also pointed out. Many artists use a stage name and if you do not know that Willy Alberti is called Carel Verbruggen, you will not find him via most inputs (genre, medium, etc.). Obviously you will find him via the umbrella search engine of CW.

Ditt has so far stopped me from replacing stage names with the real name + alias.

I never search that way, always search with the name you have in front of you via the search bar at the top of the screen, then you will find everything, including the pseudonyms and real names. Only then refine the selection.

@Frans
I do see something strange, namely twice the pseudonym of the Alberti's in brackets. I think both have '(xxxx Alberti)' too much in the Catabase somewhere. Would you please change this?

@Morits
Yes, this is how the search was originally intended, although what Frans says would be a nice extension. I am only afraid that it will slow down the rollout of the dropdown.

The Alberti's, pardon De Verbruggens have been changed :-) Aliases were written after the real name in the same field ....

@Morits

That we are looking for this way is not relevant. There are users who do it that way. Moreover, if you offer the option as CW, you also have to make sure it works properly.

@Arco

I don't know if those dropdowns will slow down, but it's not a new extension . This alternative search has been possible for a long time.

Sorry, French, but the filters were only added 2/3 years ago, and it was only said that you can refine selections through the filters. You still make your first selection via the search engine. Wasn't that also the case before then? But of course I would welcome that feature, because any way to work faster is progress

Then I would put in the general manual (which unfortunately does not exist yet), so at the top of CW first with large capital letters blinking and flickering, you have to search like this, otherwise you will not see everything. The search engine has been adjusted and if you don't use it, you have 'problems' ...

If I search my book collection for all authors, I cannot find Lee Child, for example. The search bar for searching within my collection also doesn't return anything.

I first have to search the search bar of the catalog for Lee Child to find his real name there, because it is under that name in my collection.

Too crazy for words.

Sorry, Frans, maar de filters zijn pas een jaar of 2/3 geleden toegevoegd,

Pas? Ik zou zeggen al lang geleden :-)

en er is toen alleen maar gezegd dat je via de filters selecties kunt verfijnen.

Dat is natuurlijk duidelijk.

Je eerste selectie maak je nog steeds via de zoekmachine. Dat was toch vóór die tijd óók zo?

Voor jou en mij wel, maar voor een aantal gebruikers dus niet. Er zijn nog niet zo lang geleden discussies in het forum geweest over deze manier van zoeken. Voor zover ik me kan herinneren was gebruiker Aartinge er een van.

Maar ik zou die functie natuurlijk wel toejuichen, want elke manier om sneller te kunnen werken is een vooruitgang.

Die functie is er toch al of begrijp ik je niet goed? Trouwens het lijkt me niet echt sneller.

Sorry, Frans, but the filters were only added about 2/3 years ago,

Pass? I would say a long time ago :-)

and it was then only said that you can refine selections via the filters.

That is of course clear.

You still make your first selection via the search engine. Wasn't that also the case before then?

For you and me yes, but not for a number of users. There have been discussions in the forum about this way of searching not too long ago. As far as I can remember user Aartinge was one of them.

But I would of course welcome that feature, because any way to work faster is an improvement.

Isn't that function already there or am I not understanding you correctly? Besides, it doesn't really seem faster to me.

the search function is already there, of course, but it is now only built on searching the entire catalog and everything that goes with it, and the presentation of the search results has also been adjusted accordingly.

If if you want to search in your own collection and shop as you want and others therefore also want to search through the search bar, then that is quite an intervention, because now only the specific collection of the user has to be searched and given another presence. Then it is not possible to just let go of the search engine. So takes time ...

And what Arco means is that the detour via the general search method does not have to be applied if the search function would also work in collection and shop, so faster ...

@Morits,

We praten, denk ik, een beetje langs elkaar heen :-) het betreft het zoeken binnen de catalogus. Niet de eigen verzameling. er zijn twee manieren om alle singles van, noem maar wat, The Rolling Stones te selecteren.

1) Je zoekt op Rolling Stones en vervolgens filter je op singles

2) Je navigeert naar Platen en CD's en kiest daar aan de linkerkant de dragers en specifiek single vinyl. Daar binnen filter je op hoofdartiest Rolling Stones.

Die tweede manier is inderdaad omslachtiger, maar er zijn blijkbaar verzamelaars die het zo willen. En het kan ook zo. Dat wil zeggen: totdat je een selectie wil maken van een artiest met een alias, waarvan je de echte naam niet weet. In het dropdownmenu wordt dus wel Morganfield, McKinley weer gegeven, maar niet Muddy Waters. En dat is mijn punt. Men heeft de tweede mogelijkheid ingebouwd en of je die gebruikt of niet, die mogelijkheid hoort wel goed te werken.

De eerste manier is uiteraard verreweg het gemakkelijkste en het zou inderdaad heel fijn zijn als je binnen je eigen verzameling ook goed kunt zoeken.

Merk net, dat als ik binnen mijn verzameling zoek op Muddy Waters ik 2 items krijg. Hoera! Die herkent dus aliassen. Maar.... zoeken op Morganfield levert er 15 op...

Die eerste twee stammen nog uit de tijd dat het alias nog niet was toegevoegd en er alleen Muddy Waters in de catalogus stond??

@morits,

I think we're talking past each other a bit :-) it concerns searching within the catalogue. Not your own collection. there are two ways to select all singles from, you name it, The Rolling Stones.

1) You search for Rolling Stones and then filter for singles

2) Navigate to Records and CDs and select the carriers and specific single vinyl on the left. In there you filter by main artist Rolling Stones.

The second way is indeed more cumbersome, but apparently there are collectors who want it that way. And it can be. That is, until you want to make a selection of an artist with an alias whose real name you do not know. So the drop-down menu shows Morganfield, McKinley, but not Muddy Waters. And that's my point. The second option has been built in and whether you use it or not, that option should work well.

The first way is of course by far the easiest and it would indeed be very nice if you could also search within your own collection.

Just noticed that when I search for Muddy Waters in my collection I get 2 items. Hurrah! So it recognizes aliases. But.... searching on Morganfield yields 15...

Those first two date from the time when the alias had not yet been added and only Muddy Waters was in the catalog??

okay, but a filter is NOT a search data, a filter only ensures that a certain spelling of an artist, label or type of album refines the overview of selected data, no more no less. Such a dropdown box is never a search data, that is not possible by virtue of the method.

There is only one (1) SEARCH method and it goes via the search bar ...

Er is maar een (1) ZOEK methode en die gaat dus via de zoekbalk...

Als je in je verzameling bent, dan is de zoekbalk helemaal bovenin de manier om in de catalogus te zoeken. Zoeken op Lee Child geeft zijn boeken in de catalogus weer.

De zoekbalk daaronder is voor ZOEKEN in je verzameling. Zoeken op Lee Child geeft geen resultaten, terwijl een groot deel van de boeken van de eerste zoekresultaten in mijn verzameling staan.

De twee zoekbalken hebben dus een afwijkende werking.

There is only one (1) SEARCH method and it goes through the search bar...

When you're in your collection, the search bar at the very top is the way to search the catalog. Searching Lee Child lists his books in the catalog.

The search bar below that is for SEARCHING your collection. Searching Lee Child returns no results, while a large portion of the books from the first search results are in my collection.

The two search bars therefore have a different effect.

A valid complaint that has been open for years. Perhaps when the new search engine is really finished, they will also use it for the collections ...