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July 11, 2022 15:10
What aynic suggested, a dash "-", seems the simplest and best solution.

That was certainly a smart idea aynic , congratulations!
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Collectioneur Rene 

A few examples of how it will look
#426685
#1220389
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July 11, 2022 16:16
MandersH 
Looks good.
A question about #1220389: Does "00111" belong to the UPC?
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July 11, 2022 16:43
Collectioneur 
Yes
CPU codes on comics started in 1976 and then consisted of 13 digits. Over the years this has changed a bit since 1993 and consists of 17 digits. There is also a difference between direct and newsstand editions.
Explanation of the modern 17 digit UPC Code
This is based on a modern Spiderman comic
7 59606 08936 9 02411  

7 is from the UPC guidelines
59606 is the code for Marvel on current books (starting in 1993/1994)
08936 is the Amazing Spider-man title code
9 is the check digit
024 is the issue number
1 is the cover number
1 is the print number
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Rene 
"-" at EAN code 
I give it to aynic of course. But do I also get a little praise? -:) Already suggested this 2 days earlier on 9-7-22 at 9.36 pm. Only it may have been less noticeable in the message.
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July 11, 2022 17:08
You are absolutely right, I see it now:

And everywhere that says None change to "-".

Missed it in your longer post.
But then you do deserve all the credits. With this buizer !
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July 11, 2022 17:22
A few examples of what it will look like

That looks logical with the dashes like this:

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Rene something still strikes me. If I have frozen and saved a strip and then click in edit then I can still edit the Barcode / EAN / UPC. It is not frozen like the ISBN.
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July 11, 2022 17:37
In Books we still have the fields ISBN10 and ISBN 13, will they be merged soon? For books from 2006 in which both are mentioned, the ISBN10 can be kept, because the ISBN13 is always equal to the EAN.
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July 11, 2022 17:51
MandersH ,
I don't really know how this is. I still vaguely remember that ISBN was often still missing for frozen items and that it was therefore deliberately still adaptable.

Collectioneur , do you perhaps remember this?
And see also the question from Boekenmagazijn about ISBN in books.
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July 11, 2022 18:08
 I don't really know how this is. I still vaguely remember something that ISBN was often missing even with frozen items.

Once an administrator marks an item as "Frozen", the designated fields are substantively frozen. Only if such a "frozen" field is still empty, something can be entered. The ISBN is designated as a "freeze" field. Barcode / EAN / UPC not (yet), is there a need for it?

 At Books we still have the fields ISBN10 and ISBN 13, will they be merged soon? For books from 2006 in which both are mentioned, the ISBN10 can be kept, because the ISBN13 is always equal to the EAN.

I allow those 2 fields to be merged. However, the conditions must be clearly described for creating a required script for this. For example, aren't there any books from 2007 with double ISBNs?
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July 11, 2022 18:37
Sorry, I'm wrong. From 1 January 2007 both numbers could be mentioned, from 1 January 2008 all codes had to be "renumbered".

So there will be some books from late 2007 with only an ISBN 13, and a lot of books with two codes, and from early 2007 books with only an ISBN10. But the latter almost always also have a barcode, and as mentioned, it is (with books) always equal to ISBN13 (apart from the spaces or dashes).
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July 11, 2022 18:39
Not so much, but in the past we weren't allowed to post anything anywhere. Can these be found with a search? Because it can always be found if it is not filled in.
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July 11, 2022 19:20
 It doesn't matter, but in the past we weren't allowed to post anything anywhere. Can these be found with a search? Because it is always unfilled.

Good point, but it will be possible to search for this "-" in the near future.
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July 11, 2022 20:04
Once an administrator marks an item as "Frozen", the designated fields are substantively frozen. Only if such a "frozen" field is still empty, something can be entered. The ISBN is designated as a "freeze" field. Barcode / EAN / UPC not (yet), is there a need for it?

Oh yeah, that's about it Collectioneur 
Barcode is similar to ISBN I think.
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July 12, 2022 06:14
Good point, but it will be possible to search for this "-" in the near future.

Will we have to, because when the dashes brigade gets going, they will also use the dash in other fields where they don't know what to fill in.
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July 12, 2022 22:38
buizer About the idea of a - fill in if ISBN is not mentioned, you had indeed already indicated in a message before my message. I thought your post was just about the barcode, and that doesn't interest me, so I didn't read your post further. So I certainly didn't want to outrun you.
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Has already been requested: Original title...

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Jilles I think that would be especially helpful at the story level.
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July 13, 2022 15:53
 I think that would be especially helpful at the story level.

Before I add that field, I need to be sure about this. It can be at Item or Story level. I think it's best to do this at Story level.
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The disadvantage of story level is that you cannot (yet) see the publications together in a gallery such as with booking is possible. Although you can search for it of course.

I can see the advantages of doing it at story level in itself, but this is a disadvantage. And also that you see more fields to fill in per story, while it is often irrelevant. What are the main reasons for you to do it at story level?
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Rene Why wouldn't you be able to see them in a gallery? Artists and screenwriters are also introduced at story level, and that is also possible....

(PS I don't mean to sound knowledgable, I have next to no programming knowledge so it's really a question.)

The disadvantage of a field for the item can be seen with Books: the original titles of stories in omnibuses and other collections are all entered one after the other. See e.g. #214227
You can search for it, but it actually pollutes the database.
For Books it has also been a major disadvantage for years that authors and illustrators (in eg anthologies) cannot be entered at story level.
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Why can't you see them in a gallery? Artists and screenwriters are also entered at the story level, and it can be done there too....

That's true. Perhaps that will indeed work indeed Boekenmagazijn 

With omnibuses, that may indeed be a disadvantage.
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July 13, 2022 19:47
Boekenmagazijn ,

What is an advantage of an original title at item level is that you can easily see books with multiple stories (omnibuses) together.
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July 13, 2022 21:05
The dilemma is of course that stories have original titles, but the bundle they are in can also have an original title as an item (although it is the same for most books, because there is only 1 story in it). Perhaps a multiple field (below item) is a solution?
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