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BDCOLLECTORS 
LastDodo: you are working with a LastDodo account. On LastDodo you can consultate the catalogue and manage your collection(s). And buy and sell items in shops.
Catawiki: you are working with a Catawiki account.  On Catawiki you can buy and sell items in the auctions.
When you are in LastDodo you can nothing do on/in  Catawiki.
When you are in Catawiki you can nothing do on/in LastDodo. 
When you have complaints about LastDodo you must address you to LastDodo and not Catawiki.
When you have complaints about Catawiki you must address  you to Catawiki and not LastDodo.
These are the "Facts" as they are and always will be.
And sorry ... If you don't understand all this above you will never understand it or will not understand it.
That's it. That's all. Simple as it can be. 
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La seule autre marque sur LastDoDo est Catawiki, en page d'accueil !
Vous ne comprenez pas que les experts Catawiki sont buls et ont validés plus de 100 faux dessins / dédicaces.
J'ai bien compris qu'il ne fallait surtout pas parler en mal de Catawiki. Merci la brigade de censure... Poutine a ses petits soldats. :) ;) ;)
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Terzijde: Het trucje shift @ werkt blijkbaar niet wanneer de discussie in een andere taal wordt gevoerd. 

Ik kijk anders tegen het bericht van BDcollectors aan, vind het zeker niet gepast iemand maar te blokkeren ( sorry Raoul) omdat ie boos is geworden. Het is juist voor verzamelaars goed om een keer te lezen dat er sprake is /kan zijn van geknoei. Het is wel zo dat dit soort posts vaak Catawiki raken, over onregelmatigheden bij andere veilingen of verkoopsites ( marktplaats ed) lees je in het LD Forum weinig. Maar het is toch logisch dat iemand die veilingen van Catawiki volgt en lid is van LD en niets anders ziet dan reclames van en voor Catawiki , dat hij of zij ook LD benut.  Catawiki heeft geen forum, tenzij ik mij vergis ?? BD heeft best wel een punt over zijn kritiek van censuur. Ben benieuwd hoe Rene hier over denkt. Los van het feit dat BD zich inderdaad moet wenden tot Catawiki. In mijn tijd had ik toch altijd wel gehoor aldaar , ik noem maar weer mijn kruistocht inzake de beeldjes van Leblon welke het niet waren ... De tijd van de slimmeriken die met aardig lijkende kopie beeldjes voorzien van slechts een Leblon kaartje ( die vaak dubbel bij aankoop van een echt Leblon beeldje werden meegegeven)  de echtheid trachten aan te tonen.  Zie als voorbeeld #4827421 en #4827737 en de reeks namaak Leblon zelf. Waarom ik dit noem is dat ik recentelijk van een lid een vraag kreeg hoeveel zo n beeld waard zou zijn. Mijn reactie was:  Neen, je kan het op marktplaats zetten met de toelichting dat het een kopie is , maar ik ben altijd voorzichtig want ook een particulier kan met kopie in problemen komen bij verkoop. Copyrights en zo.



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 Aside: The shift @ trick doesn't seem to work when the discussion is in another language.

It does work. By the way, you write in Dutch, while you have checked that the message is written in English.

BDCOLLECTORS 
LastDodo is an independent company that is completely separate from Catawiki. LD earns a bit of money from the clicks to the auctions, but LD has nothing to do with content.
The forum is intended for users of LD to contact fellow users about their collection on LD. The forum is certainly not intended to serve as a platform to complain about other websites/companies/persons. This should be done at those companies themselves. If you have evidence of fraud, you should contact the police to investigate.
Please stop making these allegations on the LD forum from now on.
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it makes sense that someone follows Catawiki's auctions
Then I'm illogical.
I don't know Catawiki, and certainly don't have an account there.
As an LD-er (I've been on LastDodo for less than 2 years) I don't have to read Jan-Piet-Pol's dirty laundry from eBay, Marktplaats or Catadinges here.

all the Catawiki experts are zero and sometimes dishonest !

What does that have to do with Lastdodo and users on LD?
Which experts and why? Where can I read the life story of those experts as background?
Imagine if I were to make statements like 'All the French are complete idiots'.
(Pour mes amis: pas tous :)).

The experts are accomplices or very, very bad.

la brigade de censure accourt au galop

Moebius Productions

Uh, is that a shareholder or sponsor of LD maybe?

Félix Meynett, Milo Manara (his Agent), Renaud Denauw and Piotr Rosinski have send mails (with tracking for proof of opening)

What is the nickname of their account on LD? Do these people know that they are 'zero', 'dishonest', 'accomplices' and 'very very bad'?
If they are really that dishonest, I will write to them via the LD message system so that they can defend themselves here.

All I see is a frustrated person who suddenly starts shouting that everyone is bad and dishonest.
Yes, it is bad that there is war in the world. Satisfied?

PS: if I try to explain it twice in the caller's language, and it is not understood, then I don't bother anymore. Then I also think something like: 'Learn Dutch, I also learned French.'
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For the same money, that beautiful Frenchman is shouting on a Catawiki Forum that all people on LastDodo are shit-men, or something like that...

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Collectioneur 

Now it works, weird. I did indeed write the message in Dutch. French and English people also have a translation machine at their disposal. But it was more intended for Dutch/Flemish readers.

A tight expression to BD. If it was addressed to me I would feel uhm. It is irrelevant that LD only makes a little money from clicks to the Catawiki auctions. They are not simple clicks, but clouds of beautiful pictures, with which there is nothing wrong by the way. So don't take that as criticism. But every member really sees such a close connection with Catawiki.

Am I reading it right and is it LD's wish that no more messages may be posted in case fakes of any kind are going around, offered through any site? Don't we want to hear about that on this Forum? Or do you just mean "accusations", that is indeed correct, that is not appropriate.
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I just found that excluding someone who is angry goes a long way. But you can certainly be held accountable for his behavior, no matter what you have done. As a comic book lover I join the discussion because I have seen on my visits to fairs and also the auctions that things are not right. So basically I think it's helpful that in a Forum of collectors those issues get known. The way is indeed another THING. Sorry if I triggered you, but I also added sorry...  
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The French and English also have access to a translation machine. But it was more intended for Dutch/Flemish readers.

If you write a message in Dutch, it will automatically be translated into English on the international forum. However, if you click the checkbox (if you are responding to an English-language message) to indicate that the message is written in English, it will not be automatically translated into English.

The forum should not become a " juice channel " where all kinds of accusations/gossip are posted. If "Unlawful Items" have been entered on LastDodo, a report can be made there using this form .
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You are welcome to post warnings. Specific. Referring to the LD number stating that you suspect something is fake or false.

I'm concerned about those 'accusations', and especially the way in which they are done.
'They are all scammers' , or 'It's all fake'. That's what I get from 'back and forth' (to put it in his Ollands way).
As it was applied, a comparison with 'Mafia' does not seem far off to me. I can't imagine that 'all' there are profiteers and incompetent people.

LD is for the hobby. For collectors. Works with volunteers, who put their free time into it. Anyone who suspects cheating (or attempted) on LD can report this according to the described procedure.

CW is purely commercial. Works with paid workers. I think there will also be a procedure described there that you can follow. Again I cannot imagine that people are paid there because of their clean eyes.

If such a procedure does not work, you take legal action. Yelling and 'general' smearing, that is the level of café talk (in the late hours and after having poured in many liters of alcohol). I don't understand what you can achieve with that. Unless you have the goal of 'destruction' in mind.

This is 'pollution': unwanted and inappropriate. According to the forum rules valid on LD.
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No juice channel, I understand that. But it doesn't answer my question. I'm not talking about gossip. But well I have written what I think and that someone else thinks something else, there are more roads that lead to Rome. I'll check out the catalog of those Dedicaces if I feel like it, because that's what it was all about.

Enjoy the beautiful sunny day everyone... 
 
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At the time of the very first post in this discussion (almost exactly 8 years ago), the catalog and auction were still part of the same company, Catawiki. I wouldn't really blame him for coming across this discussion and not realizing that it hasn't been the case for quite some time now.

Apart from that, the (missing) expertise was regularly criticized at the time. at what were then called "auctioneers" (nowadays "experts") and even then it had to be explained regularly by the administrators that nobody was present on this forum with the authority to say anything about the auctions and that catalog managers therefore also wisely wanted to avoid discussion.

I completely agree with BDCOLLECTORS substantively. It's a shame that the interaction has escalated so much, but it is indeed a discussion that would be better conducted on a forum like De Getekende Bar.
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Slotje op dit topic en een nieuwe openen met info hoe je een "fake" herkend?
Wat overigens verdomd lastig is.

Zo heb ik ergens nog een boeken gesigneerd tijdens de Leidsche stripdagen door Scheurs en de Kort met Wijn vlekken en brandgaten.
Een album van agent waar Martin met stempel om zo iedereen een "tekening" te kunnen geven op de stripdagen. (Dit werd niet gewaardeerd door de bezoekers)
Voor mijn zijn deze echt en heb foto's van het maken maar voor een ander wellicht een Fake dédicace?
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