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September 30, 2012 02:37

Dear Administrators, I thought I would introduce myself to Vietnam, but I came across stamps there that were not in my catalogue.

but now it turns out that this is not so strange either.

I have moved a total of 51 stamps to North and South Vietnam.

and they were already there.

but again I am surprised that Vietnam has been completely taken out of context.

and that is why most stamps are placed unquestioningly under Vietnam, because for a layman it is impossible to read on the stamp whether it is North, South or just Vietnam.

it is then again due to the fact that North is with the N, and South is with the S, and Vietnam itself is with the V. how hard can you make it for everyone.

why not just Vietnam North and Vietnam South and Vietnam, and then everything at the VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

the layman doesn't even know that Vietnam has a North or South, just clicks on the V, and sees Vietnam, because that's what it says on the stamp, and enters.

and there go again.

And I see that happening in a lot of countries

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September 30, 2012 12:57

You can of course put North Vietnam at both the N and the V. Then both the collector who searches North Vietnam and searches Vietnam and then discovers that there is also North Vietnam ...

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September 30, 2012 13:04

Should be easy to fix: an administrator should simply enter 'Vietnam North' as the alias of 'North Vietnam'.

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September 30, 2012 13:34

Or the aliases Viet Nam Cong hoa (South Vietnam) and Viet Nam Dan chu Cong hoa (North Vietnam).

( Unfortunately, diacritics not yet possible here.)

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September 30, 2012 17:13

The following is common among South East Asian collectors.

1- French Indochina 1892-1954 (together with Laos, Cambodia and some Chinese cities viz. Canton, Hoi Hao, Mongtze, Packhoi, Tchongking and Yunnansen)

2- North Vietnam 1946-1976

  1. Under Ho Chi Minh 1945-1946 (Not recognized by the UPU for political reasons, according to some non-Vietnam collectors Cinderelas)
  2. Communist issues for Central Vietnam 1946-195 4 (Not recognized by the UPU for political reasons, according to some non-Vietnam collectors therefore Cinderelas)
  3. Vietcong issues 1963-1976 (South Vietnamese liberation army under Ho Chi Minh 1963-1976 (Not recognized by the UPU for political reasons, according to some non-Vietnam collectors therefore Cinderela's)
  4. North Vietnam 1946-1976

3 - South Vietnam 1951-1975

  1. Under Emperor Bao-Dai 1951-1954
  2. South Vietnam 1955-1975

4 - Vietnam 1976 - Present (reunited after North Vietnam/Vietcong victory)

That's how it is and not otherwise :)

If there are any more questions, let me know :)

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September 30, 2012 17:25

@Book warehouse ...

Or the aliases Viet Nam Cong hoa (South Vietnam) and Viet Nam Dan chu Cong hoa (North Vietnam).

Do you know how many times the official names of North Vietnam, South Vietnam and the Vietcong have changed in their short existence? all 2 or 3 times :)

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September 30, 2012 18:18

No, I did not know that. I honestly only looked at what was on the stamps right before the reunification. And those two examples happen to solve the problem that North and South cannot be found under the V.

By the way, I still don't understand why people don't always start from what's on the stamps.

Helvetia, Suomi, Eesti, Sverige, Norge, España, all countries that you cannot find as such in Catawiki's stamp catalogue. (Only Ireland does have Eire as an alias.)

The argument for not adding it as an alias, I believe, was that the country list would become too confusing. As if he hasn't been that way for a long time (especially for foreign users and beginners).

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September 30, 2012 22:23

This is going to be another discussion that seems very familiar to me.

But we got stuck in it again and nothing has been changed or added to the country list and so we keep running after each other.

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September 30, 2012 23:34

You can lead the way Micho., this discussion is also intended for the new people so that they suddenly see that there is also North and South Vietnam.

it is good for something, and doing each other until there is a response from administrators.

The nice thing is that I keep running into you, and that seems familiar.

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Always nice to read, such a stamp forum discussion;)!

It just needs to be able to end properly or be closed (and not just close the text, because there you can just respond).

This time again a nice history lesson from Sinbad 'the teacher'. There is always something to learn on the CataWiki forum and stamp collecting has been given an extra dimension by CataWiki and hopefully revived the dull image of stamp collecting. Not dull for collectors, of course, but if you tell someone that you collect (post) stamps, he will think that you are just starting to collect, because everyone collects (or has collected) (post) stamps. In this way you can make your collection beautifully digital and present it to others. Great fun and even more fun that you can discuss it!

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October 01, 2012 08:54

Yes, the discussion about Vietnam is interesting and makes sense, and so does Sinbad's information. I hope that Sinbad will also mention this information as background information for Vietnam, then we have made some progress. Another stone laid.

But I meant (a good reader) on the country list and that's what book warehouse meant. That is a discussion that we have already had at length.

Let's tackle this then discussion on the forum makes sense. But that's where it stops.

"There is talk but no knitting"

The topic "country list" is known to the administrators and people do have an opinion about it. (They have not clearly announced this on the forum)

Then one should simply not respond and that will bleed the discussion to death again.

This is irritating!!!

Micho

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October 01, 2012 10:18

@sinbad, yes nice that info, but that was not what the discussion was about.

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October 01, 2012 11:42

Aartinga

No, that's not what the discussion was about.

But it can contribute to more knowledge and then the problem you have raised can be better identified.

You are looking at it very narrowly.

Micho

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Annoying if there is a double entry due to the naming of areas. We will see if it is more convenient to put everything under V.

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@micho, that's not short-sighted, but stick to the discussion, too often there is a deviation from the topic that it is or was about, and all of a sudden another discussion arises, and it kills where it actually went.

and all because you also think that we should not be too shortsighted.

you know the chinese saying, schoemaker be shortsighted and stick with your reading If you are not, then you are feared to miss it.

@postmaster, thank you for the info.

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October 01, 2012 12:50

Postmaster/Daan

Good idea and that will also save a lot of work for the approvals and reduce irritation

Micho

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Aartinga

The cause is and was the country list. Only an addition has been given by sinbad and in my opinion a nice background information on the land.

Furthermore, I am going to stop your discussion. This is wasted time.

Micho

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To make these areas more clear, Vietnam will be adjusted in the list according to the principle of main and sub areas as follows:

1) Vietnam;

2) Vietnam - North Vietnam;

3) Vietnam - South Vietnam;

4) Vietnam - Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam (1975-1976).

The existing items will also be checked and, if necessary, adjusted and/or transferred.

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Tapir, I have been collecting / specializing in Vietnam for 25 years in addition to having about 80% postfis and 95% stamping, I co-sponsor with about 15 professional Vietnam collectors worldwide (unfortunately I do not know any specialized Vietnam collectors in the Netherlands) now 4 Vietnam - provisional revolutional government really complete kul that only exists in the French catalog Yvert - this for political reasons (Vietnam used to be French) all vietcong stamps from 1963 are according to French Yvert cinderella's because the nation created by France had South Vietnam exclusive rights, in 1975 they could This fairytale no longer lasts and they invented the last year of the Vietcong 1975-1976, this is also only in Yvert and Vietnam collectors laugh about it all over the world, let us as catawiki not just make this up by Yvert and incorrect classification please do not adopt. We know better, and accept the truth as it is, let's not play the French (and American) political game of Yert, for the adult and worldwide to be taken seriously.
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@Sinbad-de-Zeeman

Please do not see!!

I'm just starting to research the items from the "old" postal areas.

You cannot expect me to have already seen and understood everything.

What I thought was already established has already changed, viz.

Vietnam

Vietnam - North Vietnam

Vietnam - South Vietnam

As far as French Indochina is concerned, nothing will change: Indochina included more than just Vietnam and remains a separate, albeit defunct, territory.

As far as cinderellas are concerned, you've known my point of view for some time (or not anymore and then you'll have to look at my previous posts). So no mood making!!

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October 01, 2012 21:39

@Tapir,

Please do not see!!

So no mood making!!

Guest ...... Catalog manager you were right???

4) Vietnam - Provisional Revolutionary Government of the Republic of South Vietnam (1975-1976).

Nonsense only and only in Yvert

I'm just starting to research the items from the "old" postal areas.

Tip: take a look at a catalog other than just Yvert

As far as cinderellas are concerned, you've known my position for a long time

Tip: take a look at a catalog other than just Yvert

BEST REGARDS

Sinbad

A Vietnam collector

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Also don't saw through ...

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October 01, 2012 22:58

It now looks like Sawing and Chopping

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October 01, 2012 23:03

Tapir you started sawing, I had long and clearly explained about Vietnam.

Simple & amp; It is sad I have no other words for it, unworthy of the manager to see myself and then accuse the other (who has collected it in specialist Vietnam for 25 years) and accuse the sawyer of the mood a bit terribly childish and low. sew things up like this

Mazzel wannabe-einstein

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October 01, 2012 23:08

@sinbad,

and they made up the last year of the vietcong 1975-1976, this one is also only in Yvert

and is also in the gibbon.

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