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Suggestion: is it possible to reverse the order? So LIFO (last in first out) instead of FIFO. Or give the option to choose the order yourself.

This makes much more sense for following topics: after all, there is no need to scroll to the last page and/or the end every time... Especially if there is a new comment that starts on a new page, everyone has to go to the previous comment for the previous comment. switch to the previous page and scroll all the way to the back.

For example, see email, where (normally) the latest responses are at the top and the original email at the end.
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jogo ,
We have investigated how other forums do this and saw varying systems. If I remember correctly, most forums don't do it the way you describe. But there is certainly something to be said for it.
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On another platform I'm active on, the initial post is at the top, and the rest are listed chronologically from newest to oldest. Very useful because you are the first to see the source of the discussion.

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That is indeed a nice solution, hopefully there is no patent on it :-)
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jogo no, there are no patents on that, just a sorting/displaying model,
koenkuijpers describes a model in which the 1st message is 'sticky', and the rest/answers are coded in descending form. (= descending (last answer at the top in this case), conversely you have ascending (as usual here on the forum (ascending oldest answer is first).
(e.g. recent button = sticky, but also ascending).

Disadvantage 1 of sticky is: who manages that data: in other words, who can determine that?
Disadvantage 2 of sticky with a forum posting (thread/topic question): if the topic is 'diluted' (side texts and other references) it becomes a mess.
It is and remains a 'preference'. As far as the underlying technology, disadvantage 1 weighs heavily.
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Leike-w I don't quite follow...

What exactly do you mean by "(e.g. recent button = sticky, but also ascending)."

Regarding the disadvantages you mentioned:
Disadvantage 1: isn't it only the original question that would appear above?
Disadvantage 2: that disadvantage now also exists
Advantage: readers do not have to perform different actions each time to read the most recent response.

In other words, I maintain that the (original or modified) proposal is an improvement... the question remains, of course, whether enough others think the same way.

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There are also forums where you can go to the comment you previously unread, which I think is a nice way to do it. Don't search or scroll unnecessarily until you find that response yourself.
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jogo the recent button shows all the most recently posted messages in 1 form from all messages/sections.
disadvantage 1: correct, but if every poster can enable this (usually necessary in code), more things need to be adjusted (e.g. first post yes, all responses no, etc.), while the listing often only has 1 line change (if the line already exists just change word ASC to DESC (or vv).
That's exactly ApiSta but that requires more from a system (tracking per user individually, and there are a lot of them). And I am not familiar enough with the GDPR rules (privacy) or whether anything needs to be arranged for this (it is a form of tracking).
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Leike-w I think they do that with a local cookie.
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The first message within a discussion at the top (sticky) is 1 line of programming.
The rest (message 2-infinity) is 1 more line of programming.
I do not see the problem.
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January 04, 2024 22:53
Leike-w Perhaps just to clarify: the original question only concerned responses within one and the same topic. I have the strong impression that your response is about the overview of all topics... Perhaps it would be best to start a new topic for that.
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jogo that that impression exists is correct, Changing one thing affects all.
Just a look at the underlying technology at forums.
ApiSta yes 'the' possibility exists....

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