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Collectioneur rikMooren Jilles
What does the letter B stand for as a story type?
And there is nothing about this in the Comics manual.
See for example #8941711 .
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No idea Guido. We only use the V, K, T and G
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November 27, 2023 18:18
Maybe ivogobel remembers that, he entered B9 at #30021
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November 27, 2023 18:23
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That B9 is a story by Jerom entitled 'The giant bison'.
And that B9 is also at #30022 in the Fun with Suske and Wiske series.
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Has appeared in the series Fun with Suske and Wiske.
128 pages
Tits and S & W together is 64 pages.
Still 64 pages left.
I'll ask importer Darker about it.

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What does the letter B stand for as a story type? And there is nothing about this in the Comics manual. See for example: #8941711 .

The joke is that this is an imported dummy with blank pages. So there is no story at all.

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'The giant bison' is a comic strip from the series Jerom, the golden stuntman and has 22 plates.
The code B was taken from the diptych Bibliography/Biography Willy Vandersteen by De Ryck and Van Hooydonck. The code number starting with a B referred to the stories that were not pre-published nor published as an album, but were only included in collections such as the Suske en Wiske holiday books or Plezier met Suske en Wiske.
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November 27, 2023 21:17
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But then it is not B but K in my opinion.
See the manual point 15.2.3
Story has 22 pages, so this is a short story and therefore type K.
That's the number for the specialists.
Now numbered as B9; Are there possibly other short stories by Jerom?
Moreover. Fun with Suske and Wiske appeared in 1981.
Those bibliographies 13 years later in 1994.
So a B for Bibliography is never or never possible.
So can I adjust it rikMooren or Collectioneur or Jilles or will one of you do it?

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To my knowledge, there are only two exceptions:
- Bearer stories, in accordance with the numbering of the Bommel Catalog of Matla and
- Disney stories, in accordance with coding on INDUCKS (and usually also on the first page of the comic itself)
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November 27, 2023 22:05
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I don't understand what the links you posted have to do with it.
At Bommel the stories are mentioned, but there is no type (letter) and no number. And it's a catalogue. Thought it was for consulting, looking something up, not for reading a story.
And the other link is a worldwide Disney database.
What does that have to do with Jerom...?
It's the type of story that "The Giant Bison" is that we're looking for.
A long story (V), a short story (K), a gags story (G), a text story (T).
B is not even mentioned in the manual point 15.2.3.
Hence my question.
And according to Quartertemper it is a short story in my opinion, so type K.
What remains is the K number that needs to be searched for.

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It has nothing to do with Jerom. I just wanted to point out that these are the two exceptions to the standard story numbering.

A long story (V), a short story (K), a gags story (G), a text story (T).
Except for Toonder and Disney, see Handbook Comics art. 15.2.1

Toonder comics are given a Matla numbering with prefixes such as BV (Bommel), PV (Panda), KV (Kappie) and HV (Hollewijn).
At Disney it is codes like WDC 79-04 (in #79885 ), which often includes the year and country of production.

The story numbers have not yet been entered correctly everywhere, but this applies to more series.
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Moreover. Fun with Suske and Wiske appeared in 1981.
Those bibliographies 13 years later in 1994.
So a B for Bibliography is never or never possible.
You misunderstand me. In the reference work par excellence 'Bibliografie Vandersteen', the Jerom stories that were not pre-published anywhere and did not appear in the regular album series, but which were only published in the Suske-en-Wiske holiday and game books, are listed separately. In this reference work, these stories were given the letter B for Bundeling followed by a number.
That's the number for the specialists.
Now numbered as B9; Are there possibly other short stories by Jerom?
There are 12 such stories that are given the letter B in the Vandersteen Bibliography, followed by a number from 1 to 12.

Your reasoning about correcting the story numbers is correct: in accordance with the Comics Handbook, these stories should indeed be converted to a K or V (depending on the number of plates), followed by the serial number.
But this could also be deviated from and the numbering from the standard reference work (as now introduced) could be retained, just as is also done in LastDodo - as Boekenmagazijn mentions - with the stories of Toonder and Disney. I leave this choice consideration to the administrators.
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Boekenmagazijn Quartertemper rikMooren Collectioneur
Did further research.
#30021 Fun with Suske and Wiske is a collection of games and 3 new stories from 1981.
The seven sleepers (Tits) first appeared in album form in 2010 by Adhemar.
The stone loaves (Suske and Wiske) first appeared in album form in 1984 at/via Dash.
The giant bison. Published in October 1970 in German as N° 105 Wastl und der Wunderbuffel. Bastei publications.
And would this be a translation of that?
For more information, see: Jerom on the www
And the story number is K105. And no B9.
And... a complete story of 22 pages in a bibliography also seems strange to me...
#30022 Same as #30021 but with price print.
And #37994 #37993 #9764829 do they belong in the Comics section?*.
Just because they contain pictures doesn't mean they are comics.
It almost literally says so in the manual.
Don't they belong in Books?


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Quartertemper Boekenmagazijn Collectioneur rikMooren
'That's what it says in the reference book'.
...But not in the catalogue.
There is only mention of Bommel and Disney.
So until further notice, no B belongs here.
And it's better to just fill in the title of the story while waiting for that decision.
And check out my previous post.
The story had already been published in German 11 years earlier.
So this 'Dutch' version will have the same type and number as the (1st) German version.
The type and story number are still determined by the 1st appearance.
In whatever language that may be.

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See Jerom on the www
So in 'The Giant Bison' the bibliography is wrong after all.
Previously published in German in October 1970.
Wastl und der Wunderbuffel. Bastei publications.
In fact, more stories have been published in the German language than in Dutch or French.
At least 40 of them have been translated into Dutch in the Adhemar series.
Just as 40 Bessy's were also translated and formed an Adhemar series.
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You can immediately ask whether these are all Books.
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Those Biographies could go here , if they largely don't contain comic strips.
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These are indeed what I am referring to.
Looked at my copy - De Breugel of the comic strip #38246 - there are no complete comic strips in there. Those 4 can certainly book already.
But all 12 items can safely go to Books.
What else is the Biography and Comic Related type for books?
A 1-page gag is possible, but a full (even a short) story in a biography?
Will De Standaard publish a complete story in a biography if the story has been published by them and is also for sale?
Come on, be realistic and think logically.
Just move to books.
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The biographies, except for one, have been transferred to Books.
There is a technical issue with that one item, which will be transferred later.
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