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Arco once decided that the combination CD and Image DVD does not fit in the category music!
Idiot of course!

I now have a box with 2 music CDs and a DVD with so-called clips
very strange but those clips contain music in addition to some film footage

that's music
I understand that you want a film that often includes music, that's not music, that's image

but every video DVD with clips that just belongs to music incl. tracks

I would therefore like to see that restored before I do NOT enter this historical item.
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July 02, 2023 08:33
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That decision still stands.
Visual material belongs to the Film section.
With your reasoning you should transfer all DVDs with movies where music can be heard to Music.
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July 02, 2023 09:44
Collectioneur Dick52
According to the manual, the CDs may be imported with music. You may also place an image of the DVD. You enter these separately in the DVD-video category and you create a link with the CDs. With additional features there is the option "also contains DVD with video"


".9 ITEMS THAT BELONG IN 2 SECTIONS
There are items that can actually be placed in 2 categories. For example, a biography with
supplied CD.
The sound carrier of such objects may be included in the catalog in accordance with the applicable regulations
entry lines. In the details field (see chapter 12) it must be stated with which item the
sound carrier originally formed a whole. You can use links here
provide clarification (see Chapter 16).
In the case of a book with a CD without a cover: insert the CD and insert a second image
scan of the front of the book. The book can be entered in the book section with third
image shows a scan of the accompanying CD.
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It is true that you are allowed to enter such combination items in this separate way.
What I'm referring to is a CD, DVD, etc. with an image recording of music, which only belongs in the Film section.
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Still very simple.
A CD only contains music. Can only hear you.
A DVD contains images and music. Clips or recording performance does not matter. Is seeing and hearing.
Still a clear difference.
And where can you find that DVD of that performance in the store.
Not in the CD rack but in the DVD rack.
And if you put them on DVD, there is guaranteed to be complaints from the collectors of this section.
Keep it as it is.
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It is not a separate DzvD, this is part of the box
And you have sound and image
Images have only been added to the tracks and I cannot add a track to the film section
And it's true Music DVDs are usually separate, but I think that's more for practical reasons due to the different format packaging

In this case just 3 discs in a package
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And suddenly think of something.
How many such items will you find there; so a box with 2 CDs and 1 DVD?
No masses.
I don't think it's worth stressing about.
And you have to put it somewhere.
And also to see how you look at it.
If you say: it is a picture with added tracks, that is also correct.
Can't get a pin in between.
And is it like always: the 1 says sister; the other says so.
So just accept/resign…
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July 02, 2023 22:07
buizer indeed (there are only 400 in it)
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Dick52 FransS Collectioneur
I hadn't looked into that yet.
But that doesn't change the matter.
A choice will still have to be made for those 400 items.
Which not everyone will like
And as I said before, that is not new either.
And moreover, it is perfectly indicated how it should be done in such cases.
Just accept.
To put it nicely: 'the rules of the game'.

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July 03, 2023 14:43
buizer Dick52 Collectioneur
You can also look at it in a more nuanced way. Dick does have a point when it comes to concert recordings and recording the tracks on them. Films (Help! etc), biopics (I walk the line over Cash) and documentaries certainly belong to the film category. With concert recordings it is a bit different: the music is more important than the image, except for exceptions such as Pink Floyd or Rammstein (fantastic shows). Within LD, the content is always looked at, not the packaging.

buizer Ever heard of advancing insight? ;-) Good old Arco sometimes used that as an argument.
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July 03, 2023 14:57
Within LD, the content is always looked at, not the packaging.

What problem needs to be solved?
That of the CD box + DVD has been solved.
Sound recordings of concerts belong to Music.
Video recordings of concerts belong to Film.
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FransS Dick52
Of course the music is always important.
An image sometimes says more than 1000 words.
With a live LP you can only taste the atmosphere 'by ear'.
And you don't even know what the weather was like when the LP was recorded.
And whether the gentlemen musicians were there with full enthusiasm.
And with a DVD it is different.
After an hour and a half I think you have a (personal) idea of the concert, music, performance, etc
I put it differently.
If only the music interests you, are you going to buy such a concert DVD?
And those who do buy a concert DVD like this do they only do it for the music?
Oh no,
And for the rest.
Here you can keep discussing / bucketing about until the years of silence...

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Dick52 In my opinion: If a DVD is a "fixed" attachment to a CD, I would put it with CDs. Place a loose DVD with tracks with DVDs. If a CD is an appendix to a book, place it with books. If a book is an appendix to a CD, it goes with CDs

I do not think it is desirable to put 1 object in 2 places in the catalog.

FransS I'm not following you with: LD always looks at the content, not the packaging?
I thought we were looking at the object regardless of its contents. In the beginning, music books were placed with music. These are now in books.

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So yes ;-) You don't think that an enthusiast buys a live recording on DVD if he is not a fan of the band / artist, do you? And vice versa: do you buy a DVD with a concert on it just for the image?

Jilles
I completely agree with you. Include attachments with the item. And indeed each item only 1 time.
I think Arco always claimed that the content was more important. Why else audiobooks on CD with books? I came up with it because of the discussion about image / music in DVDs. I can't remember that music books have ever been listed under music, but yes, my memory isn't what it once was ;-)
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I just said that DVDs are made of live concerts.
And that such 'products are for sale and are being sold.
Fan or no fan.
Have you ever heard of buying as a gift...
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FransS Jilles Dick52
Do I have to read the manual again?
Entry based on what it is.
Determine once and for all what this is.
And put it in that section.
And all the rest/appendix in another section.
With the necessary links.
But it has to be somewhere. And then at least I know
Because now it's a welles-nothing games.
The 1 finds sister; the other thinks so.
Well gentlemen colleagues administrators call a cat a cat and take a joint decision.
Some satisfied. Some dissatisfied.
Have you ever known otherwise...
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buizer FransS Jilles Collectioneur
Which is my point and Frans gave it right
I have a book with DVD somewhere
One hundred years top 40 or something
There are DVDs and in the book a background story is told
I had entered that DVD in music very simply the only section where tracks can be (books have stories but that's it)
I think it was entered 100 tracks a lot of work and Arco threw it out because it was a book in his view
While it was about the top 40 music
I have really planned to never fill in more than 40 tracks again

Spit my bile!

Point remains what is the purpose of the item
Musical film is about the film with a few tracks
Concert registration generally involves:
The tracks that are played live the songs are important
Then you also have something like Woodstock Bangla desh Live Aid
Beatles Shea stage Documentarr
When booking if there
Music (Clips) are discussed
Is it an appendix to the music so Music suffering (book attachment)
Books where the sound is a supplement I would stick to books
Like music books
Tougher than the spoken word
Carmiggelt with his pub stories
Of Juliana En Bernard I also have 2 LPs of it. (Well Bernard could sing a lot but ho but) introduced to music. (Or is it an audiobook?)
Comes with booklet with 14 pages and only 2 LPs

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Carmiggelt; pub stories I meant squiggles
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So yes ;-) You don't think that an enthusiast buys a live recording on DVD if he is not a fan of the band / artist, do you? And vice versa: do you buy a DVD with a concert on it just for the image?

The LastDodo catalog is not structured by themes.
Otherwise, for example, books about actors would have to be placed under Film or a documentary about a writer under Books.

The DVD can easily be listed as an attachment to the CD box, but the DVD itself should be placed under Film.
Just like Stickers that came with a comic book. These are listed with the relevant album and the stickers themselves are included in the Stickers section.
In this way, an item is not included in the catalog twice. The CD box with attachment is an item and the DVD separately is also an item.
This method has always been there.
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In my opinion, this method applies to loose items, such as decals, stickers for compilation albums, etc., but not to a fixed attachment. But I may be mistaken.
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Jilles What is a fixed attachment?

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The DVD is in the middle in one package
Besides the fact that I think the tracks are the most important criterion
But I also have lp side 3 + 4 of the Beatles (white) album lying around, I'm not going to list that as an item either!
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It's about item #1969635 right?
Disc 1, Disc 2 (DVD) and Disc 3 can still be entered there as images 3, 4 and 5.
This whole is 1 item.
But you can also enter the DVD in the Movie section, where you can also enter all further information about that DVD. The DVD is therefore an item.
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That is not possible because they are tracks
Can of course mention that as details. But item is now complete in catalog
Yes and then I can also place the sticker and photos under those headings, but well (I don't really find added value)
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That is not possible because they are tracks
Can of course mention that as details.
You can also enter sub-items (just like tracks) at Film.

Yes and then I can also place the sticker and photos under those headings, but well (I don't think it really adds value)
That's a pity for the sticker collector, who might like to add such a sticker to his collection (without having to buy the box).
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