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I am in discussion with a Music Administrator.
Therefore, I have a general question for the Music Administrators or other LastDodo users.
First of all, that the Bandname comes with the Artists is logical, there is no need to discuss that.
My point is that some users of LastDodo also enter the Bandname with the Composers, Lyricists and Producers, this does not seem correct to me. (I think these fields are separate from each other and therefore have nothing to do with the Artists field)
This is in the sense of a name, not a name that belongs in a Names Register
It is not yet stated in the Music Handbook, but it does state that only existing surnames and possibly first names must or can be entered there, that's how I read it anyway.
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It is indeed not explicitly stated in the manual, but it seems logical to me that a band cannot be a composer, lyricist or producer. A band is not a "person". Another problem that can arise when you allow band names as a composer is that in many bands there are changes of person, causing the band to change its composition. Members will then receive composer listings that are incorrect. I understand that a band name is often used on labels and covers to indicate the producer, composer, lyricist, but in almost all cases this has to do with the use of space.
My proposal is to include in the manual that band names are not allowed in the fields composers, producers and lyricists.
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a band is not a person unless it is a solo artist, but otherwise I agree that a composer etc is a person and not a band
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A band may not be a person, but the entire catalog is full of band names as composers. Who is going to change that? And in obscure groups, we often don't even know who the members are.
In addition, we should not make it so difficult for users. If they want to enter band names, I'm okay with that.
Personally, I usually leave the composer/lyricist section open, unless it is really important, e.g. Great American Songbook, Bacharach/David, Bach, Mozart, etc. I note that few people are able to fill in this section flawlessly and then only after a lot of use of Google.

One thing is certain for me and that is that I will not change it. I don't have tons of time and as I see it there are much more important things to change. I can't wait for occupational therapy. Keep it simple!
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November 05, 2022 18:27
A band may not be a person, but the entire catalog is full of band names as composers

That's right, but you have to start somewhere to set things straight. There is no need for an active search and recovery action here, it is already nice if it is stopped.
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Collectioneur.
The Band names just don't belong with the Composers, Lyricists and Producers, I think that's for sure.
Even though there are currently quite a lot of Bands at these fields, they can always be adjusted over time.
At the moment it is about adjusting the Music Handbook so that no more are added.
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Then you don't change them, and you just continue with your other things, that's fine, go ahead.
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At the moment it is about adjusting the Music Handbook so that there are no more

The help text for the input fields has been adjusted. Text for the manual will soon be sent to me from FransS :-)
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I agree with some of your observations, but I don't think we make it too difficult for users. If they don't know the band members, they just leave the composer, lyricist and producer fields blank. They are not mandatory fields. Producers will be fine by the way. I updated them all for a few weeks.
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I'll see if I can come up with a few rules tomorrow ;-)
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I recently started entering producer names, provided that the name is under all the numbers of the item.
Band names even if it is stated that way.
With the band names, I'll stop at this one.
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Fine. In the meantime I have sent amendments to the manual to the collector.
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The update of the handbook is on the web.
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Thanks for the quick fixes :-)
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November 09, 2022 10:51
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Nicely edited, Top.
I have one more thing, a bit off topic but in the same vein.
This concerns the Cover design field.
If you enter something here, these must be real names that can be included in the names file, (If you click on this field it is in any case described on the right) or this can also be a kind of Designers Group.
From the name of the field, Cover Design, I can't figure out if they are Personal Names.
And something about this field, you can also enter the Photographer or Photographers who took the photo or photos. This is often stated as information on the cover.
If this is the case then the field yes can be named, Cover design / Photographer
Have an example of a Designers Group namely, Mainartery (as already filled in at LD) and not like the people who put behind this namely Jo Mirowski and Pete Hayward.
Have another example of how it looks on the cover with the Photographer there.
Is an Clannad album, Closer to Your Heart



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At Comics we also have to deal with something similar, for example the artist: Toonder Studios.
Several people worked here, who later also started drawing under their own name.
So I don't think it's a problem to include Mainartery as a designer.

Are there people who see objections to extending the name "Cover design" to "Cover design / Photographer"?
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I don't see a problem with both.
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I enter personal name or design company that designed the cover, photo of ... or drawing of ... is not the complete cover designer.
Part of the whole, no problem with it.
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