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February 22, 2021 10:39
I don't move an inch until the payment is made, that makes a difference. If you have to check after ordering whether items may no longer be available, it seems like a bad thing and a good reason to get angry ... at yourself.

@ Goih101
2 different points.

1. If you are on 1 platform it is certainly not a problem, but I am on multiple platforms and I offer (and to read the feedbacks that multiple sellers do) then offer the same item and yes it sometimes happens that the item is sold and that i forgot to take it off a platform and yes then i'm mad at myself but on the other end making a mistake is human.

2. If someone orders something but then does not respond to an invoice and then I take the trouble to send a reminder and there is also no response then I will not get angry but irritated, this
has nothing to do with human error but you are just ignored and yes that is annoying, in my opinion these are not customers but trolls.
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I don't move an inch until the payment is made, that makes a difference.

This is not a good way of invoicing.
Already had a formal complaint from a buyer who placed an order, then received the invoice and paid. Only afterwards did the seller check whether he could deliver everything that had been ordered / paid for. So no, he refunded the value of the items that were not present and proceeded to deliver the order.
But the buyer had no interest in buying the remaining small number of items in relation to the shipping costs. However, the buyer was not given any opportunity to cancel the order. This way of acting by the seller damages the trust in the shops on LastDodo.

It is fine that users also offer their items for sale on other platforms, but handle this in the right way.
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It is fine that users also offer their items for sale on other platforms, but handle this in the right way.

Not only can the same items be offered there, also in physical stores or on a (book) market.
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Are there platforms that make it possible to only indicate that a buyer has stopped responding after placing an order? I am curious how those platforms then deal with that information. Will buyers be blocked at some point? Or can sellers indicate that such buyers can no longer order from them?
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@metalfigures sorry if the accusation came too hard and that was indeed about correct administration. I clearly recognize that pain of being human. Certainly in a complex collection (read as many and varied) this also comes to the fore in other ways, despite increasingly careful handling and storage I can sometimes just not find items anymore: /

Regarding your second point some trolling could emerge from the data as I quoted it.
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@collectioneur sorry I think you are confusing a number of things or I am not reading it correctly. Didn't that user also have the opportunity to make things known in the current feedback system? Or was that formal complaint about me? I can't imagine but you never know :(
I.i.g does not seem to me to be the method of invoicing, but incorrect administration and handling which damages the trust in lastdodo shops.
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@ Rene is the pain really that big? What numbers are we talking about now? Can't you get that out? A comparison between canceled orders from the various collection areas also seems interesting to me.
And to be honest, feedback systems from other platforms do NOT interest me.
This is usually based on a market-oriented motivation.
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Didn't that user also have the opportunity to make things known in the current feedback system?

That's right, but he feels cheated because he has now overpaid for the items he received. He asked whether this method of invoicing and processing was common on LastDodo, because then he would drop out as a potential buyer. No, I answered, but apparently this unfortunately happens to more shops.
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@ Rene is the pain really that big? What numbers are we talking about now? Can't you get that out? A comparison between canceled orders from the various collection areas also seems interesting to me.

Several people are talking about it so I think it's something that bother some of the salespeople. Whether we can or must solve that is another matter. We are investigating that and that is why I asked whether there are platforms that have already arranged this properly. So it is not about a complete feedback system on the buyer, but more about being able to identify non-responding buyers (we cannot measure that properly now because the processing and payment is done outside of us).
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@metalfigures sorry if the accusation came too hard

Luckily metal can take something ;-) ~

@Rene
I had suggested before
there is no expiration date on a negative feedback; a salesperson who had 1 negative 11 years ago and then only positive now has a score of 99.9%.

At ebay it has not had a negative after 1 year, then you have 100% again, of course the negative comment will remain.


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At ebay it has not had a negative after 1 year, then you have 100% again, of course the negative comment will remain.

Yes, we could also look at that. Personally, I don't think a score of 99.9% is necessarily less positive than 100%. It also makes it credible that something went wrong once in which the buyer could no longer be satisfied.
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Every feedback system will give you problems. Isn't it from the buyer that LD protects the seller? Is it the sellers who think buyers are being unfair in giving feedback?

There is no good system ....
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It also makes it credible that something has gone wrong once in which the buyer could no longer be satisfied.

But does that have to bother you for years? Plus I think it also motivates the salespeople to strive to keep that 100% (I do)

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the mp system with stars but for all the key words communicate paid quickly or not does have a system where the seller can indicate buyer does not respond or something like that is nice that filters out the fakers when repeated then blocks
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Would you please use some punctuation (word learned today, yes yes), can't make a living out of it :-)))
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If you as a seller have your affairs well organized, the feedback system doesn't matter. There are always exceptions, but with the large numbers, the correct assessment always comes up. Only 1x had no response after an order. On the 300 I think. The ability for the seller to respond to neutral or negative feedback is a plus here.
Another point of attention. I once gave a negative feedback (I rarely do) and after a week you cannot change it. The seller later solved it very nicely. Heaven and Earth moved to adjust the feedback, but couldn't. Was still with Catawiki. @ René, can you take care of that? That shop deserves the 100%
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Please send me all the relevant details of the feedback in question.
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@ Rene / Tammo

Are the feedback calculations correct?
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(99.4% , 166 reviews ) LastDodo user since December 2011

Has had 1 negative in 2015, 6 years later only positive and 1 neutral.
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Is the feedback calculations correct?

Mathematically it is correct.
At the moment no account is taken of "prescription".
How long should assessments continue to count in the calculation of the score?
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Personally, I don't think a score of 99.9% is necessarily less positive than 100%

Maybe not, but 99.4% after 5 years is quite a hard hit
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I assume that other users' feedback histories have been pasted into the Forum with their agreement?
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I assume that other users' feedback histories have been pasted into the Forum with their agreement?

This is public info on LastDodo. Anyone can see the feedback history of any shop.
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Tammo, I am obviously a good guy. If someone posts something on the Forum or gives a response, the user will indeed appear. Then you can, if you want to, check their public records. But that does not mean that everyone likes to have become part of a discussion without knowing anything and then find out later in the Forum. Or I am the only one then it will indeed end.
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@Tammo


How long should assessments continue to count in the calculation of the score?

I personally think 1 year is enough
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Is the feedback calculations correct?
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(99.4%, 166 reviews ) LastDodo user since December 2011

Had 1 negative in 2015, 6 years later only positive and 1 neutral.

Yes, that's right: 164 positive out of 165 non-neutral reviews is a percentage of 99.39%.


Maybe not, but 99.4% after 5 years is still a tough one.

I don't quite understand that. Only 1 negative review out of 166 reviews (and therefore even more transactions because not everyone gives a review) is still very good and not at all "hard"? I would buy there without a doubt. Also because you can see what the negative review was about, who gave it and read the response of the provider.


Personally I think 1 year is enough

The provider in the example you mentioned has 166 reviews in over 9 years. There are about 18 per year. If you show the history of 1 year and this provider then receives a negative feedback, the feedback score is immediately at 94%. I would find that much worse myself. I personally also find it a lot more confident that I can read 166 reviews than I could only see 18.

But maybe I am not representative. How do others perceive this? Do you think a perfect score of 100% is much more confidence-inspiring than just below it?
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