LastDodo site & app/Revenue block on item pages58 messages

Vanaf nu is het mogelijk om te zien voor welke opbrengsten items zijn verkocht in LastDodo shops. Als er verkopen zijn geweest dan is aan de item pagina een blokje toegevoegd waarin je de condities ziet waarin er is verkocht en wat de laagste, hoogste en gemiddelde opbrengst was.

Het betreft daadwerkelijke, niet geannuleerde, verkopen. Verkopen van combinatie-aanbiedingen, waarin meerdere items voor één prijs zijn verkocht, worden niet meegenomen.

Zie bijvoorbeeld dit willekeurige item. Met dit blokje:

Deze strip is in nieuwstaat meerdere keren verkocht tussen 3,50 en 10,00 euro met een gemiddelde van 6,07 euro. Zie de range aan opbrengsten voor de andere condities. Het is voor het laatst op 9 november vorig jaar verkocht.

Als je items wil kopen of verkopen heb je nu - indien beschikbaar - als referentiekader:

- de actuele verkoopprijzen die LastDodo shops vragen

- de opbrengsten uit het verleden (dit nieuwe blokje)

- de cataloguswaarde (gebruikers kunnen daar suggesties voor doen die beheerders kunnen goed- of afkeuren).

Het Opbrengsten-blokje is nu eerst alleen op de Nederlandstalige LastDodo beschikbaar. Volgende week wordt het ook in de andere talen toegevoegd. 

From now on it is possible to see for which proceeds items have been sold in LastDodo shops. If there have been sales, a block has been added to the item page in which you can see the conditions in which it was sold and what the lowest, highest and average revenue was.

These are actual, not canceled, sales. Sales of combination offers, in which multiple items are sold for one price, will not be counted.

See, for example, this arbitrary item . With this block:

This strip has been sold several times in new condition between 3.50 and 10.00 euros with an average of 6.07 euros. See the range of returns for the other conditions. It was last sold on November 9 last year.

If you want to buy or sell items, you now have - if available - as a frame of reference:

- the current sales prices charged by LastDodo shops

- the returns from the past (this new block)

- the catalog value (users can make suggestions that administrators can approve or disapprove of).

The Revenue block is now only available on the Dutch LastDodo. Next week it will also be added in the other languages.

Hello René,

Super handy, for me those are list prices. I do have one more question, because the value of items has often changed over the years, it would be nice to see behind each state when it was last sold, because a last sold item in 2008 is probably no longer up to date before 2021.

Thanks Morits and Metalfigures.

It would be nice that after each state it shows when it was last sold

If we add the last date sold to all amounts in the matrix, it becomes a bit complex. Maybe we can add things later, but everyone will have to get used to this first, I think.

I want to soon again ... sorry ;-) ~

This is stated;

Displays the lowest and highest sales prices and the arithmetic mean.

this should not be,

The lowest and highest selling prices are displayed in the arithmetic mean.

@aartinge,

No, about the example I gave I wrote:

This strip has been sold several times in new condition between 3.50 and 10.00 euros with an average of 6.07 euros.

3.50 is the lowest price in the condition it was sold for. 10.00 is the highest price for which it was sold. And 6.07 is the average of all sales in that condition.

So there are 3 different prices shown per condition.

Ok, I understand.

@ René:

In the example you have chosen, there is a big difference between catalog value and revenues. Isn't that a reason to adjust the catalog value?

Is dat geen reden om de cataloguswaarde aan te passen?

Liefst wel, anders krijg je van die postzegeltoestanden waar de cataloguswaarde een fictief getal is.

Isn't that a reason to change the catalog value?

Preferably, otherwise you will get those stamp conditions where the catalog value is a fictitious number.

For me the averages are the catalog values for the reason that items are sold every day on LastDodo and with that the average is adjusted immediately, which for me is a more realistic value than a catalog value, my proposal is therefore to use the catalog value block and make the average value the catalog value.

@JozefK

That catalog value is realistic, it is a rare stamp. Why do you call it 'stamp conditions' anyway?

Hello Postmaster,

If that's what you say then that stamp has to be sold 1x MNH for 3.800 then the average is 1.922, but the fact is that the stamp has been sold 1x MNH for 45.00, I think you can use the new system what longer before you are in the direction of 3800.

That will never happen, since the maximum sale price in shops is 75 euros.

Incidentally, I would welcome it if all catalog values disappeared in the Pins section. These are usually completely out of thin air.

The system will tell, if it is sold for 75.00 then the average is 60.00, which is a lot more realistic and corresponds more to the selling prices.

With many common items, the selling prices are often a "race to the bottom".
And rare items that are newly imported are occasionally sold (by non-connoisseurs) for a much too low price, because there is no reference possibility.
A catalog value in its optimal form is at most an "educated guess".

I find this addition of Revenue LastDodo shops a confusing addition, all these different amounts can act as a jammer on the sale. at least with postage stamps.

It is an unrealistic view of what is being displayed.

as an example: stamped sales value is 1.00 euros

Those stamps are sometimes offered for 1 to 5 cents, but nobody knows what you will get, most likely heavily canceled stamps.

with the calculation formula of Revenues LastDodo shops overview, this stamp is only worth an average of 5 cents.

it is a calculation formula that misrepresents stamps and is based on stamps that may be quickly disposed of and may look bad.

I do not understand at all that it is said that the catalog value can then expire.

I cannot value this calculation formula

@Rene

It is more realistic if you include sales after the € 75 limit ...

If I want to buy something, my frame of reference is internet (including LastDodo), if I put something up for sale, too. I will not sell reference frames much, because I know that (say comics as an example) as new condition without any photo or description is meaningless. A large percentage of new condition sales will be (at best) almost new condition, certainly the older the strip, the less chance of retail condition. When ordering new condition, I increasingly get the right question: is it really new condition! Despite photos.

But ... at least it is much better than the many list prices that have been "taken out of the blue".

I am always amazed about the idea inventors and the software people who make all this possible in LD. Nice !

For me the averages are the catalog values for the reason that items are sold every day on LastDodo and with that the average is adjusted immediately, which for me is a more realistic value than a catalog value, my proposal is therefore to use the catalog value block and make the average value the catalog value.

@metalfigures:

But what do you want to do if an item has not (yet) been traded?

That catalog value is realistic,

@postmaster:

Then be curious about what you base this value on.

By the way, a major problem with catalog value adjustments is that you don't make friends with such promotions. The question is whether the volunteers feel like it.

Once I got into a huge fight with someone when I ask for proof. Since then I no longer enter into the discussion, but correct the value as accurately as possible.

This is going to resemble a discussion we had years ago ...

That catalog value is realistic, it is a rare stamp. Why do you call it 'stamp conditions' anyway?

For me, a catalog value should equal the actual sale price. I don't find that with the stamps. It is also possible that I completely miss it, but usually the stamps are offered with heaps for a fraction of the catalog value. My apologies if my choice of words was not optimal.

This is going to resemble a discussion we had years ago ...

I think you're going to be right, Morits.

This is going to resemble a discussion we had years ago ...

But that discussion did not lead to a clear solution in my opinion. A lot of things are changing right now. A good time to reconsider some things.

Vertigo, as I said before, the system is still new so many sales only calculate the average but as long as those values are not there yet, I would determine the value by entering the values of the items for sale. view.

As administrators I think you should be happy that the catalog wiki (as long as it is not filled in) would go away because utopian prices were set in the past and, for example, only picked up by an administrator 5 years later. Prices are also constantly fluctuating and the new system is taking that up and a catalog value that was in effect 10 years ago is no longer relevant now, I only see benefits.

One problem remains (also reflected in feedback) and that is when we sell items, we ourselves give the condition / value to the item and that allocation is very often not shared by others (which one finds a good condition , another thinks a reasonable statement) but that has nothing to do with this system and is a completely different discussion.