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As a result of the discussion about Trade Paper backs and Graphic Novels in Comics, I wanted to throw a bat in the species box here too.
A novel is a type of book, just like the novella or the biography.
However, the kind of Dutch literature does not exist in the sense that the term literature is a subjective qualification and not an objectively quantifiable quality. I advocate scrapping the type of Dutch literature , as well as, of course, English, French, et cetera 'literature'.
The language is already described as a separate property anyway, so that is already double.
The type of (pulp) magazine is also a clumsy qualification. This should be replaced by the magazine type . After all, they are just magazines and the qualification pulp is not a characteristic but a value judgment.
In light of the above, the type of translated literature should be replaced by the type of translated work
The type of antique books can go, because within Catawiki it is not defined where the limit is (1900?, 1850?, now minus 100?)
The type Auto and autofolders should be renamed to the type Auto . After all, the Folder type is already available to describe the Auto\folder combination.
The type of brochure is not a type but a type, is described by the type of brochure and must therefore be removed. If necessary, rename the folder type to brochure\folder
We have the type Letters . The type of Letter books is therefore again an incorrect combination of kind and type and can\must go.
We have the type Boekenweek , so children's book week can go because it is described by the types of book week and children / youth book . Moreover, nowadays we have the week of the exciting book, the week of the kitchen maid novel and what not. You shouldn't want to have all different types for that if it's not necessary.
Furthermore, we now have detective , thriller , espionage and detective\thriller\espionage types. Get rid of the first three! In line with this, I am also arguing for the abolition of the True Crime species. That just seems like a combination of history and detective\thriller\espionage
short stories are just stories . What should I do with a book that contains three short stories and four long stories? So get rid of the short stories , we have the V and K to indicate the length of a story.
Pop-up book is listed under type as well as type. Of course that is not possible. One of the two has to go.
The types of myths , sagas and legends are indeed not formally overlapping but are best grouped together into myths\sagas\legends because I wouldn't trust everyone to know the difference.
The types of cabaret\cabaret and play are included in the type of theater . If you want to keep the last one, the first two can go. Or vice versa of course. But then I do miss ballet/dance
shipping is shipping , and can therefore go.
The difference between advertising and promotional spending is not great enough to warrant two separate types.
The same goes for the types of religion and theology . So better merge. And then Buddhism can go right away. We are not going to create Taoism, Islam, Zen, Scientology etc, are we?
memories are memoirs , memoirs , or autobiographies , but not a distinct species. Can also go.
With the existence of the kind of occultism , the kinds of kabbala , tarot , magic are really superfluous.
The types of Travel Guides and Travel Stories make the types of Travel Books superfluous. The separate kind of tourism should also be viewed with the greatest suspicion in this context.
The types of Fantasy and Horror show so much overlap that they can be better combined.
The kind of nude photography is a part of photography . Get rid of it.
The cause of much misery is also that no distinction is made between type/form and content/subject . Photobook is a form, Photography is a subject. You should throw out all topics and create a separate box for them. Or even better, rename the entry box Series to series\subject and use it in that capacity (which is already happening in a number of cases)
Grail\Arthur Romance has now been labeled a species. Why? it is actually a series, just like Harry Potter or Arendsoog. Doing it this way makes it much clearer. Probably then the conclusion will be that a book is of one kind and one type, with the possibility of several subjects.
Enough material for another long discussion I think :-)

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You are doing well.
Okay, here's my opinion.
Literature can indeed be classified in 1 denominator, but if you know how to distinguish them in NLs, English, German, French, Etc… you will have a better overview of all literature in DIE language .
Translated books from France to Dutch Would also be literature, but then French and not Dutch, so that distinction is nice. Just like translated literature, but then you get lost there which is which literature.
Magazine ends up SEPARATELY , in a SEPARATELY section.
Antique books should stay running from -X to 1900 I thought.
IPV Auto (can you also put a truck, tractor, etc.) I would only keep folder.
There is a difference in brochure and folder, but put them as brochure / folder.
Every time I have to deal with detective, espionage and thrillers, this often gets mixed up.
Pop-up is one type and not a type.
Myths, etc. I agree.
Cabaret also a bit.
Maritime and shipping are the same.
Religion is different from theology. But all kinds of beliefs fall under the heading of religion, or in other words: belief.
Advertising and promo, the line is thin and can be combined, but both include brochures, posters and much more.
Memories can idd away.
Travel book is actually also a travel story, so idd book can go.
Fantasy, you can also subdivide myths, sagas and legends.
Horror really is a separate thing.
Photography is photography in whatever way.
For the rest, it must really be possible to distinguish between TYPE and SUBJECT .
If kind is Photography then the subject could be Nude Photography.
If two fields can be made for this, please, you can make it even more beautiful and clear and see a good distinction.

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Fantasy is not horror
Buddhism is not religion
Please split children's / youth books into children's book, youth book, girl's novel, boy's book
Dutch literature and translated literature
Theology is not a religion, but a study of religion

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Buddhism is not a religion
Don't say that to a Buddhist.
ANY belief is a religion (my opinion, don't know if more think like that: S), you could better call it belief or just belief.

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Indeed, Buddhism is a religion but not a religion, because they have no god…

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Actually, if you do it right it should be spirituality / religion .

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Ok in the broad sense of the word religion, (Quote Wiki: Religion (from Latin religio, see Etymology below) is usually understood to mean one of many forms of a higher power or supreme being is central In a broader sense, the word 'religion' denotes a more general form of spirituality, feelings, thoughts related to the meaning of life. or manifestations of a power, or a (consciously) undefined principle, essence or entity.
Therefore it is not necessarily about an identity, a person), you may add Buddhism, but I would still in the book section please see separately.
Of course we have to tackle the double denominations in the section, but if you look at the number of sections at a good bookstore, Catawiki still has few of them

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In addition to merging and canceling certain sections, I can certainly imagine adding other sections.
Medical books, for example, or computer books.
And I'm going to be introducing a bunch of chemistry / chemistry books soon. Is possible under science, but why chemistry under that and physics or biology not. (Subheadings?)
Do agree with Jilles that there are not that many categories yet. I immediately see the large De Slegtes of Selexyz and the endless rows of books with an awful number of subdivisions in sections and sub sections.
But you also don't want a drop-down menu with so many choices, it doesn't look like much.
I understood at the comic fair Breda that there may be a collaboration with one of the major web shops. They have a subdivision into headings with 1 level sub headings below. Perhaps their subdivision can be maintained?

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Medical, Computer, Etc, is that not possible under the heading of Professional Literature?
BTW , there is a difference between Literary thriller and regular thriller.

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Just stolen from Bol.com:
For Business: * Business other * Communication * Economy * Financial * Human resource Management * Logistics * Management * Marketing & amp; Sale * Personal development * Strategy
For Computers: * Operating systems * Security * Certification * Computers other * Databases * Design & amp; Image editing * Games * Hardware * Information technology * Internet * Multimedia * Networks * Computer programming * Software
For Cooking and Eating: * Equipment (53) * Famous chefs (74) * Diet books (368) * Food & amp; Cooking other (3116) * Healthy cooking (20) * International cooking (654) * Cookbooks (2826) * Ready quickly (23) * Vegetarian cooking (123) * Wine & amp; Beverage (414)
History and politics: * Biographies & amp; Memoirs * History & amp; Politically other * Royal houses * Art, Culture & amp; Archeology * Society * Crime * War & amp; Peace * Politics * Dutch history * World History
Health and Psychology: * Alternative medicine (674) * Diet & amp; Food (258) * Erotic (374) * Fitness & amp; Condition (211) * Health & amp; Psychology other (2371) * Manuals & amp; Medicines (194) * Education & amp; Grooming (1121) * Popular Psychology (2658) * Beauty (33) * Illness & amp; Allergy (155) * Pregnancy (613)
Child and Youth: * Baby & amp; Toddler books * Informative books * Watch & amp; Vocabulary books * Child & amp; Youth other * Children's Bibles & amp; Religion * Learn to read * Audiobooks * Education & amp; Grooming * Poetry, Rhymes & amp; Verses * Picture books * Novels & amp; Read yourself * Read & amp; Fairytale books
Art and culture: * Antique (24) * Architecture (1887) * Visual arts (1730) * Biographies & amp; Memoirs (823) * Dance & amp; Theater (958) * Film & amp; TV (650) * Photography (874) * Art & amp; Culture other (1313) * Art History (449) * Museums (372) * Music (837) * Appearance & amp; Design (309)
Literature: * Biographies & amp; Memoirs (3486) * Chick Lit (518) * Essays, Columns & amp; Interviews (1541) * Historical novels (383) * Literary thrillers (1500) * Literature other (4240) * Poetry (6378) * Travel stories (1068) * Novels ( 50942 ) * Romantic fiction (1054) * Regional novels (1002) * Stories (1079) * True Stories (738)
Travel and Languages: * Bicycle & amp; Hiking guides (961) * Hotels & amp; Campsites (353) * Maps & amp; Floor plans (1183) * Regionalia (987) * Travel guides (5200) * Travel stories (2016) * Travel & amp; Other languages (550) * Restaurants & amp; Shops (207) * Language guides (403) * Dictionaries (1051)
Religion and Esotericism: * Astrology (609) * Biblical (1427) * Esotericism (4345) * Philosophy (3087) * Religion & amp; Esotericism other (912) * Religions (771) * Theology ( 10147 )
School and Study: * Business Administration (3072) * Economics (2422) * Exact sciences (3856) * Philosophy (724) * Medicine (4516) * History (2399) * Art & amp; Culture (1363) * Human & amp; Society (8215) * Education (2642) * Psychology (1129) * Law (8472) * School & amp; Study other (3823) * School books ( 23182 ) * Language & amp; Arts (3451) * Theology (908) * Dictionaries (612)
Sports and Hobby: * (Pets) animals (2274) * Car, Motorcycle, Boat & amp; Airplane (1073) * Ball games (452) * Mountaineering (40) * Biographies & amp; Memoirs (192) * Mind sports & amp; Card Games (504) * Do-it-yourself (57) * Bicycles & amp; Hiking (734) * Fitness & amp; Condition (185) * Photography & amp; Movie (710) * Crafts & amp; Needlework (1334) * Lifestyle & amp; Etiquette (526) * Fashion (118) * Music (69) * Nature (1255) * Equestrian (310) * Sports & amp; Hobby other (2284) * Sports stories (337) * Drawing & amp; Painting (1694) * Martial arts (37) * Watersports (603)
Thriller and Fantasy: * Detective & amp; Espionage (645) * Fantasy (1016) * Horror (238) * Literary thrillers (1508) * Science Fiction (118) * Thrillers (2600) * Thrillers & amp; Fantasy other (3627) * True Crime (79)
Living and Gardening: * Flowers, Trees & amp; Plants (441) * Interior (267) * DIY (152) * Gardening (442) * Appearance & amp; Design (427) * Living & amp; Gardening other (452)
These are the groups + subgroups / subjects: P

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Have you looked through the list?
A spy can also come and investigate from the police, so it is a detective aka spy.
JB is also an agent (secret agent) so he is a detective but is known as a spy. =)
Well, if this whole list (there are also some duplicates I saw) gets up here, then we have enough to put everything where it belongs.
Under magazines I also find leaflets and brochures passes. It is something temporary. A book will keep circulating a bit longer.
Often you will also find the genre in the library data. Really in it. =)

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Anyone still working on this?

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Sorry haven't gotten around to it yet. Do I have to make time for it? Indeed, something must be done about the species.

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I personally think that you should keep the overview list as short as possible, and if you don't want the collector to combine, make the combinations yourself.
Wouldn't a tiered, logical distribution be useful? If the importer does not feel like it, he will in any case not enter incorrect items.

Main groups: fiction and non-fiction. If you can separate the two, the current dropdown list becomes a lot more manageable in my opinion. I think most of the books on Catawiki are fiction, but most of the items in the list are non-fiction topics.

From there, subdivide further.

For fiction this could look like:

Youth (all through adolescents) and adults (anything from adolescents)
Overlapping here so as not to offend adult owners of Harry Potter J (or the "classic" children's literature (Junglebook, Through the looking glass, Narnia…)

Then an item:

Adventure and thrills - I know it's quite "corny," but still a classic flag that still covers quite a bit.
Romance
Literary
Humor

"Adventure and Excitement", subdivided into e.g .:

-Adventure - historical novel - war -…
-thriller - detective - espionage - police officer *… (* Is "police officer" a Belgianism?)
- Science fiction - horror - fantasy….

You can then resp. choose "Science fiction - horror - fantasy", or select one of its components.

This system could work for all related genres
On the next line, in the way we now combine, another 'tag' can still be chosen, but very limited there:
novel,
stories
the main items (except the one you chose earlier), but otherwise I think most combinations can already be displayed in the first line.

Peace in the world again thanks to the 'common ground' for Buddhists, Islamites and Christians, because they can all go to the overarching 'religion - faith - religion - theology - esotheria ...' (astrology and the Divine astronauts of Von Za … Sorry Däniken too)….

"But (the beginning of) an idea of course and I don't know if it is practically feasible, but still ...

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It is indeed an idea to identify a limited list of main species with sub-species within it. More or less the same discussion about music genres on Vinyl records and CDs tends to be the same. Everyone should then be able to choose easily from the main types. If the importer does not know, specialists can further fill in the sub-types.

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November 01, 2010 16:38

 

Given the last message, this message is a bit mustard after the meal.

Given the number of sections, not much has changed since then.

 

I have had a shop on Boekwinkeltjes for years and am transferring it to Catawiki.

When I started Boekwinkeltjes 6 years ago, there were these main groups

other

detective

hobby

children's books

literature

novels

science fiction/fantasy

comics

textbooks

topography

 

Now they have also moved with the times and the list looks like this:

 

Book Week

Detectives, thrillers, espionage

Memorial books

Hobby books

Yearbooks

Children's books

Art

Literature

War

Shipping

Science Fiction, Horror, Fantasy

Sport

Study, Science, Religion

Drama, Cabaret, Music

Topography, Travel

 

As everyone can see, this is also rattling on all sides, but the advantage is that there are two fields where you can enter your own subgroup at will and the search engine will figure that out.

You can live with it

 

Honestly, I see more in Catawiki's system where you can enter an unlimited number of main groups, but then there must be those groups that are normally used.

 

Let a few sane people form a committee, thin the case out first, and whoever wants a group added must submit it with a strong argument.

At least then there will be no groups such as Bakelite (empty) and Kabbalah (1 item)

 

Arranging such matters in a forum is not possible, every discussion gets bogged down or gets out of hand.

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Have a few common sense people form a committee, thin out the matter first, and anyone who wants to add a group should submit it with a strong argument.

This is indeed an important subject and I would like to see such a committee. Committee of Elastokees, Pegag (clearly already well thought about it) and the book managers WillemNaber and Jilles seems like something to me!

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I want to interfere with that.

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I think it would be best if Jilles and Willem form a core committee. They are the administrators who will soon have to work with it. If they want to have thirds, fourths, if necessary fifths, we will hear about it. In principle, I am willing to contribute.

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@pegag. Not only "WE" have to work with it, but especially the Catawiki user must have a clear (clear) overview and everyone can contribute to that.

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I would like to contribute ideas on this subject, but I have only recently been a member, so the initiative

should lie with the more experienced people and / or administrators, but I am glad that there is some movement.

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