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October 19, 2014 11:52

Good day,

I was cleaning up some old stuff and came across 2 packs of old postcards. Now I'm looking for some more information but I only find single cards, no packs. If anyone could help me further I would greatly appreciate it.

it is :

1 pack of "der bodensee" graph art report Max Mattes, Stuttgart-s containing 12 postcards.

1 pack of freiberg i br from Rolf Helnee. 15 postcards.

jet appear to be complete and in good condition.

thank you very much for the help in advance

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October 20, 2014 00:54

I would say scan them and enter them if they are not in CataWiki.

These are in any case from Lake Constance and if I look so quickly, they are not listed (I looked at the publisher, but unfortunately that is not always entered in the data).

And these are from Freiburg, but I don't think they are listed there either.

If the cards are separate, please enter them individually, then list the catalog numbers here or post links to them. That way we might be able to tell you a little more.

If they are packs of postcards that you could buy as a pack at the shops, you can also enter the packs. I think that many collectors don't always have that complete. The older the cards are, the more likely it is that collectors will not have such a complete set.

If you want to sell them as a package, first enter them all separately in the CataWiki Postcards Catalog and then select them all and click bulk add to shop (lower left button).

While typing I just read that you don't have the packages, so you will have to enter them separately. I think only then will you get more information about the cards. CataWiki may be a catalog for collectors and sellers, but it is not a reference book of how much something is worth. That's what appraisers are for!

I am very curious and I am sure that you will please many collectors with your input.

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Disney Meentwijck,

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October 20, 2014 12:00

@Disney I didn't find any of the same tickets. Some that look like the zapelin card that comes with it, but mine are jagged and those are not. Mine don't have a writing on the front just on the back so that doesn't match either. They still come with "packaging" (Cardboard sleeve around it)

I have made an inventory of the cards of Max Matters, unfortunately not very neat as I have some difficulty with reading the old German for the place names and no years on them. But if you want to take a look, here the link. CLICK

The rest will follow, but I only have time for that tonight.

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October 20, 2014 12:26

I've corrected a few for you.

Map 5014295 suggests that the photos date from (shortly after) 1928, when the airship Graf Zeppelin had just been built.

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October 20, 2014 21:45

Since this afternoon I have been wondering if these are actually postcards.

It is a folder with photos, which do not seem to be intended for sending, but only as a souvenir.

Which definition should the items in this section meet?

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October 20, 2014 22:31

A waste of your afternoon and evening! (;-)

I have always assumed that at least something to see at the back of either a space for a stamp or address lines or something. Otherwise we can put every single ticket there ...

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October 20, 2014 22:58

A waste of your afternoon and evening! (;-)

Maybe if they are disapproved. But does an administrator have that right, if there is no clear description of what conditions the items must meet?
(And there is no obvious other section where they fit better.)

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October 20, 2014 23:09

Always tricky, but there is a Photo section under Other.

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October 20, 2014 23:14

It actually falls under the category of souvenirs, if there were any. They are photo cards and unless you can send the whole parcel, they don't seem like postcards to me on closer inspection.

I agree with Arco that the definition of the postcards should at least be that they can be sent are sent by mail using an address line or a space for a postage stamp. Otherwise I would just put it in the section photos . And the folder in photography , because I see another folder in it (although I it actually does not fit there). Or should the photos go to Photo card ?

And if I go to the objects in Other look, then I see a lot of photos at the F. Can that also get on the to-do list to be merged?

Ah! I found something for the photo folders: tourist photo folder .

So I think it is more likely to move than to reject it.

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October 20, 2014 23:58

But there are also folders, a kind of booklets where you could sand the cards out, now Arco will say yes as soon as you can release them, they can also appear separately.

It seems to me that these kind of booklets are tourist photo folders . nevertheless consist of or from which postcards later emerged

Suppose I add such a set, I will still search within postcards

I think!

If you put a few lines on the back of a card and fill in an address with a stamp, it will be delivered.

I suspect even a blank A5 with address and stamp will be delivered.

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October 21, 2014 00:03

see 2215927 see ao 2215937 (I really don't know if there are lines are on the back)

Is it about where to search for such an item?

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October 21, 2014 00:12

Arco's definition is only so restrictive that Duplicate cards and other types of greeting cards that are mailed in an envelope should also be removed from the category.

Do you want that?

(Not a rhetorical question, I'm a layman in this area.)

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October 21, 2014 00:24

I am also a layman but where would you look for such a thing?

And I think you should start from that: where in which section are you looking for something like that?

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October 21, 2014 00:48

@Bookstore

My definition was therefore only about postcards, because that's what we were talking about. Of course, that definition does not apply to all those other cards.

A postcard is a piece of cardboard printed on both sides, with at least space on the back for a stamp and / or linings and / or a vertical dividing line or vertical dividing typography in the middle. Individual postcards in folders / boxes or other original packaging may be included separately and as complete packaging. Postcards issued as leporello may be taken individually and as complete leporello. Postcards on sheets, with or without perforation, may be included separately and as a complete sheet. Books from which postcards can be ripped should be entered under the Books section, but postcards torn from books should be entered under Postcards.

Something like that? Or are there also postcards made of plastic?

In all other cases we now refer to greeting cards. We just have to decide whether greeting cards should have their own section.

And then there is the question of what we do with family printing such as birth announcements, wedding cards, funeral cards and prayer cards in small editions. These contain privacy-sensitive information, so the first question we have to answer is whether they belong in Catawiki.

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October 21, 2014 01:31

Arco and this one 2185577

The intention is to send it

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October 21, 2014 01:37

But it has alignment, right? And vertical separation typography?

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October 21, 2014 01:41

But I don't deny that, but you do need a record player?

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October 21, 2014 01:46

As far as I'm concerned, the object is a postcard, which you can also play by chance. And then simply link them to the Records and CDs section. The first function is clearly that of transmission. Being able to play it is a gimmick. But hey, there will always be fringe cases. And what is not there is still made up.

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@Heinzzy

You've unleashed quite a stream of messages with your cards.

I also took a look at your cards and I have 2 questions for you about the packaging:

- Can you also post a picture of the back of the packaging? And possibly also from the inside of it, if it contains text?

- Are the stated dimensions of the packaging correct? Is it indeed less than 2 centimeters high and wide? Then it is clear that the photo folder is not intended as postcards, next to a stamp, almost nothing else fits on it.

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October 21, 2014 11:17

dimensions will probably be 9cm x 17cm.

The content could also be added as separate cards, assuming there are lines on the back.

But what do you do with singles? (don't see an example so quickly)

which were recorded in the early 60's and sent to a conscript during the (police actions).

I see it as a single with spoken text but they were sent by post.

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October 21, 2014 11:48

The Der Bodensee series does, of course, consist of postcards , but they are not picture postcards . Although the term postcard is used as a synonym by collectors, picture postcard is clearer, because it names the whole spectrum of images and because it also immediately makes clear the postal function (postal card).

The name greeting card to distinguish it from cards that are sent in an envelope is just as problematic as the term postcard. After all, older birthday cards, New Year's cards, etc. in particular can also have the form of a single (double-sided printed) card.

Or are there also plastic postcards?

I believe there are even cards made of metal and wood.

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October 21, 2014 12:02

@ Dick : The single is only a postal item if it is also sent as such, so without extra packaging. That kind of singles also has an address line where it has to go, otherwise it's just a single.

As administrator of the Postcards, I agree with Keimpe13 that the back of the package/envelope and a picture of the inside also provide more clarity about the envelope. But it remains a photo folder, because I don't think that with 12 photos will be sent as 1 postal item.

I also want to make Arco 's definition a bit clearer, because the stripes are not always vertical. An address line is necessary and it must be possible to send it as a postal item (with a (post) stamp).

As for the dimensions, it seems to me that Heinzzy just made a mistake and Dick is right. It is true that the cards do not seem standard to me and may have a different size. The dimensions of the cards/photos are not listed, but it seems logical to me that they are slightly smaller than the photo folder. I think 17 cm is actually quite a lot for such a photo folder.

Furthermore, I completely agree with Boekenmagazijn and those double cards (at least most of them) do not belong in Postcards, because they were not sent separately, but in an envelope.

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October 21, 2014 12:55

I feel a cinderella discussion coming up.

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October 21, 2014 13:05

I'm not so afraid of that, Fazerco. These problems only arise if no decision is taken for too long.

Okay, and now keep going until we've formulated it properly. There are already enough topics that come to nothing. As soon as we agree on this, I will of course still consult with the administrators and then any necessary adjustments will be made on the work list.

The section is called Postcards, so we'll include postcards in it.

A picture postcard is a piece of material that is not pre-franked, printed on both sides, with an image on the front and on which at least one of the following is pre-printed on the back:

- the word 'postcard' or 'postcard' (analogous for foreign language cards)

- space for a stamp

- alignment for an address

- a vertical dividing line or vertical dividing typography in the middle

Separate postcards in folders / boxes or other original packaging may be included separately and as complete packaging. Postcards issued as leporello may be included separately and as complete leporello. Picture postcards on sheets, with or without perforation, may be included separately and as a complete sheet. Books from which postcards can be ripped should be entered under the Books section, but postcards torn from books should be entered under Postcards.

Foldable cards ... (what are we going to call them?) do they also belong in the section? And what are the opinions about family printing? And so if we are going to impose requirements on the back of a picture postcard, should it not be mandatory? And if so: what do we do with people who want to whiten the addressee so that we can no longer see the linings, even if that is the only admission characteristic of that postcard?

@disney: why are the lines between message and address not always vertical?

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October 21, 2014 13:09

I feel a cinderella discussion coming on.

It won't go that fast now, will it?

@DM that you do not send those 12 cards completely is probably also the case.

but Christmas cards, birthday get well soon, etc. also appear in this section!

The essence of the card is the message, whether that be through a print, photo, text, or whatever.

Where do you want to place these things?

are more categories that do not cover the (category name) content (records and CDs)

And I don't think the book warehouse indicates that these don't belong here, but I could be wrong.

What must take place 2 scan required

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