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  • September 20, 2012 22:25
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September 20, 2012 22:25

The cigar bands section has grown explosively over the past 12 months. It is high time for a summary of the agreements on imports on which there is a consensus among the current managers and the most active collectors:

SERIES TIRE :

For series tires, unique series names are used from the outset. This makes it possible to link a suitable illustrative image per series and a piece(s) of informative text to the series by means of the “background information” field. To distinguish similar and/or similarly named series from each other, distinguishing information is placed between round brackets (...) and/or one of the following abbreviations in capital letters:

•KF: small size

•NF: normal size

•HG: medium size

•GF: large size

•RH: rectangular

•ZM: without brand

FACTORY OR ADVERTISING TIRE :

On the other hand, for factory tires and advertising tires the general series 'factory tires' or 'advertising tires' can be used. These are gradually refined according to the brand or type of tire.

Text sequence: For factory and advertising tires the inscriptions used are taken over in the following order: text mirror - text left wing - text right wing, separated by a hyphen between 2 spaces. If the text found on the respective parts together form a meaningful word or phrase, the hyphens and spaces are omitted.

NUMBERING:

Tapes are only numbered if there is actually a serial number on the tape. Numbers from the AVB or from the Romkes catalog are not included in this field.

Unnumbered tapes can be placed in a logical order by the administrators.

MEASUREMENTS:

- The dimensions are shown in millimeters. The length is listed first and then the height of the strap. E.g.: 67 x 28 mm

- The length of cigar bands of so-called normal size (= ± 67 mm) can vary due to use on thinner cigars. The maximum length is stated in the catalogue. Minor length variations are not listed separately in the catalogue.

- In addition, part of the regular format serial tapes was recut to the so-called small format (length < 50 mm). These are included separately in the catalogue. After the series name, recut is then stated between brackets. Eg: Mission Impossible (recut).

The value of recut tapes is generally 50% of the original normal size. Again, minor length variations on the recut bands are not cataloged separately.

PRICES / VALUES:

Prices are determined according to rarity. The smallest possible value that can be entered on Catawiki is 0.05 Euro. E.g. A tape in good condition at 0.10 Euro is approximately twice as rare as a tape with a catalog value of 0.05 Euro. Really rare tires, mostly tires from before 1950 can have a (much) higher value.

The fields are filled in as follows:

New condition: X (100%)

Good condition: +- 75% of X

Recut condition: +- 50% of good condition

Fair condition: +- 50% of good condition

Example:

New condition: €0.15

Good condition: €0.10

Recut state: € 0.05

Fair condition: € 0.05

TALON DESCRIPTION:

On many bands there is (usually) a white or colored bar at the tip of the left wing: the so-called 'talon'. This often contains information about the printing company that produced the tape.

This information can be included in the catalog on the basis of the printer fields, which are entered as follows:

Example:

Printer: Tilburgse Steen & Offset Drukkerij

(if there is nothing on the talon we fill in 'Unknown')

Printer number: None

(this if there is no number, otherwise the number)

Printer symbol : TSO (if there is nothing on the talon we fill in None).

Via the Catawiki number 3060273 you can find a number of the most commonly used abbreviations/printer's symbols.

You can always contact the administrators with any other questions or suggestions…

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  • November 01, 2012 17:26
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November 01, 2012 17:26

I have a problem.

When adding it says "manufacturer". In the search results it says "brand"

But the brand is not always the same as the manufacturer. (many different brands were acquired or released by the same manufacturer)

Now my question is "who or what should I specify when entering next to" manufacturer "?

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  • June 09, 2014 15:26
June 09, 2014 15:26

New trick: You enter a recut tape (both front and back), no printer data or dimensions. Then you enter a picture from a catalog as the 3rd picture and make a comment in the description that this is the complete band. To make the confusion complete, fill in the printer data of the 3rd image and also the dimensions of the catalog image.

How fast do we make a mess of it....??

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  • June 09, 2014 19:51
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June 09, 2014 19:51

@teejoo:

I am currently reviewing the Cogétama factory tire imports. During the review, a total of 5 new bindings have been added so far, with on fig. 1 & fig. 2, recto and verso of a recut binding from my collection and on fig. 3 a full-length black and white image of the band.

The 5 recut tapes are, I think, unequivocal that can be assigned to full tape. Recut bindings (some 10s) from my collection that could not be unequivocally linked to a complete binding have not been included. You can check this with the catalog Cogétama 2nd edition 2010 available at the AVB.

The maximum length of the belt is entered in the dimensions field.

The intention is that the recut images 1 & 2 will be replaced afterwards, when a user reports with the entire tape in his collection. Fig. 3 and the comment text can then be deleted.

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  • June 09, 2014 20:26
June 09, 2014 20:26

Fortunately, due to a lack of communication, no dog knows what is going on and how things are done again. I thought this was a catalog for the "community" and not a project for some administrators. I will keep a bit of my distance, so that I do not get in anyone's way.

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  • June 09, 2014 21:36
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June 09, 2014 21:36

The forum is the perfect place to communicate what happened here. A message via Catawiki's mail system with a question for clarification / comment.

You won't get in the way of me. The insinuation that a number (we are only three of us, by the way) are not doing community work is, to say the least, ill-considered. We might as well have stuck with our excel lists.

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