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June 04, 2012 20:02

I have a question about the four-color series of Suske and Wiske. It is number 82 in the series: the gramme mercenary.

This is the catalog number: 27166

I have the exact same one as described here. So it

Last album title: The gramme mercenary.
Issue date: 8/1/68.
Deposit number: D/1968/0034/124.

However, it also says in the details that there should be no ISBN on the back. However, my copy does have an ISBN: 9002106998

Does anyone know exactly what this is?

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June 04, 2012 20:19

If it does have an ISBN on it, the album is not from 1968, but somewhere from the 1970s.

But place the item in CataWiki with clear scan of the actor side with ISBN and we see further

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ok very strange then because it says 1/8/68 on the back. how is that possible?

also looks exactly the same.

Moreover, when I look at the images of other providers I see that several people offer this album with isbn as the first edition.

if it is not a first edition then it is quite disappointing. yesterday during the comic days in Haarlem paid 20 euros for this comic.

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June 04, 2012 21:08

A number of the early matte four-color albums have been reprinted with glossy cover and ISB number. The covers are identical with the exception of the ISBnr's.

This probably happened in 1970 or 1971.

In any case, there is also such a version of the Roaring Berg and the Mad Griet.

I had not heard this from the gramme mercenary (nr 82).

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June 05, 2012 19:32

ok thanks!

I do have another question about the catalog value of the four-color series. I see that the catalog value of many albums has been adjusted (usually downwards). What are those prices actually based on? Is the average calculated of the albums that are offered?

I have heard that every 5 years the value of a comic doubles, is that correct?

Incidentally, the catalog value of 'De dulle griet' is in my opinion much too low and has probably been adjusted incorrectly. Now it is at 6, 4.5, 3 and 1.5.

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June 05, 2012 19:52

I do have another question about the catalog value of the four-color series. I see that the catalog value of many albums has been adjusted

As stated in another post, the four-color range is currently under review. The managers who are working on this at least have good expertise in the field of Suske en Wiske.

I have heard that every 5 years the value of a comic doubles, is that correct?

The comic market is not so simple that you can put it that way. As with many other industries, it is about supply and demand.

This means that this will probably apply to rare and sought after albums in top condition, but that for many albums this assumption is unfortunately not correct.

Many of the albums in the latter category are more likely to stabilize or even fall than rise in price.

Incidentally, the catalog value of 'De dulle griet' is in my opinion much too low and has probably been adjusted incorrectly. Now it is at 6, 4.5, 3 and 1.5.

It is not clear to me exactly which Mad Griet you are referring to here, but for reprints from the four-color series, with large editions, this is the right price.

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  • June 05, 2012 21:10
June 05, 2012 21:10

this is the copy:

Catawiki number: 1204749
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June 05, 2012 21:22

You are absolutely right; The value is too low for this album. I have set it back to the same value as the other version.

This is the matte 1967 edition and the first in the four-color series.

In addition, a laminated edition (without ISB number) has also been published in the same version.

Only the first 15 editions of the 4 color series have been matte editions.

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Some of the early matte four-color albums have been reprinted with glossy covers and ISB numbers. The covers are identical with the exception of the ISBnr's.

In Catawiki you can find the following copies with date code 1968 or 1969 and with ISBN:
70 The Ghost Hunters 2437197
73 The Humming Egg 2108125
80 The Roaring Mountain 412117
81 The Circus Baron 2437187
82 The gramme mercenary (not in the catalogue, but 3 times in shops: 1 2 3 )
89 The Mad Musketeers 412283
91 The Toy Sower 412293
Only 2370497 has the year 1970, but I think all these editions should be dated to that year. All books with date code 1970 have an ISBN, so that seems to me to be the most likely year of reprint for these older variants.
I do not doubt Ivo's expertise, but an edition from 1968 that was re-released in 2007 with a free CD, that seems a bit unlikely: 27167
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June 05, 2012 22:34

Incidentally, I have no doubts about Ivo's expertise, but a edition from 1968 that was re-released in 2007 with a free CD, that seems somewhat unlikely

You can see from the alignment of Vandersteen's name on the front cover that it is indeed not the same copies.

It is therefore not a copy from 1968 that was re-released with CD in 2007. To avoid confusion, figure 3 has been removed from this release.

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June 05, 2012 22:36

Then the reference to the Particulars may also be removed ?!

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June 07, 2012 07:01

And if I may believe the images, this is not a standard Standard issued copy. On the back it clearly says N.V. Scriptoria!?

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June 07, 2012 12:30

That's only the copyright, DisneyMeentwijc ... not the publisher.

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June 07, 2012 13:50

Well, it does say: Responsible publisher: N.V. Scriptoria

 Comic - Suske en Wiske - The street knight

But for albums from 1968 to 1971 that is apparently the standard (;-))

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June 07, 2012 13:59

The responsible publisher is not always the publisher of the book in Belgium, as you undoubtedly know. But Belgian legislation is different from the Dutch in this regard. For example, in many Belgian books / magazines you also see a private name as the responsible publisher. That is actually something like in the books of publisher Silvester, where Silvio van der Loo is mentioned as the publisher. In such cases it is more the function than the name of the publisher.

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adjustments have been made to the Suske en wiske in the catalogue.

Now some of the covers of the comics are gone?

Can this be checked/repaired?

data of last change indicates:

Last modified on:06-12-2015 09:38:17

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December 09, 2015 23:10

Then they were stolen covers and not the importer's own scans. They will be removed as soon as we discover it ...

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December 10, 2015 00:09

Yes, I indulged myself ;-)

It is a pity that I could not (as they do on Wikipedia) provide my changes with a note, but if you go to the History of the concerning items you will see that the majority of those covers were stamp sized scans with double watermarks.

A good scan of the back was added to many of those items later, but unfortunately without replacing the scan of the front.

So the owners of these comics are still allowed to do so. do.

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