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The Postcard Handbook is ready in draft.
Handbook of Postcards .

It is a concept, so the content is not yet applicable.
Please report comments and errors.
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It is not explicitly stated in art. 3.1, but I assume that it is not the intention to literally copy words in CAPITALS in the title?! I always follow art. 4.1 of the Basic Manual, regarding capitalization.
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As far as I'm concerned, that IS the intention. To make it easier to discover duplicates.

The latter is sometimes very difficult. Some cards have more than 5 versions.

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And very often cards with slightly different images have the same title.
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These are one of those things you would like to know in advance... ;-)

Does that only apply to old postcards, or also to modern cards?

That's going to look very flashy, I'm afraid.
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June 21, 2024 18:06
Particularly with older maps (1900 - 1940), for example Amsterdam maps.


That's going to look very flashy, I'm afraid.

As long as it's clear.



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It appears to be an old discussion, in which what I propose was already chosen at the time:
Postcards forum CAPITAL LETTERS or Lowercase letters (lastdodo.nl)
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Here a clear choice has been made for the useful, because the same cards can appear with capitals and small letters.
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It's all fine with me, as long as the Handbook describes to which cards this exception applies.

I also see that (especially with modern maps) the rule that the title must state the text as it appears on the map is often loosely applied. Even with (super) managers, this is not always imitable.
That's fine, but the Manual was precisely intended to get rid of all the unwritten rules and vague mutual agreements, I thought.

For example, there is absolutely nothing in the Handbook about the numbering (in the title field) of Boomerang cards. There is some information here and there on a background page, but who can ever find it again?
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An adapted draft version 0.3 of the Postcard Handbook has just been published.
Has been shortened quite a bit compared to the previous version.

stripspeldjes Please provide a text for the numbering of the Freecards or whether the super administrators freecardwim lavas vertigo should think that a "Catalogue Number" field should be added.
Please also indicate whether this concept version can be converted into the final version.
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For example, there is absolutely nothing in the Handbook about the numbering (in the title field) of Boomerang cards. There is some information here and there on a background page, but who can ever find it again?

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Also difficult to express in rules. Here's the relevant old discussion

What is even more difficult are the 'rules' in the Theme field. I don't understand a word of that. I think we have to make new agreements first.
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I would like to propose a text, but that numbering is a mystery to me.
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Some possible adjustments.

3.2. Place
'Tip ... similar series visible ...' series -> place names

3.7. Year
(Here I would shorten the first part (because it is now outdated))

Enter the year the postcard was made.

Sometimes a year can be accurately estimated (e.g. based on the date of shipment or stamping). Fill that...

Note: also shorten and adjust the help text.

3.8. Series
Postcards can be part of a series or series (a logical whole). With a clear, unique series name you can easily keep those cards together (and show them in an overview, as an advantage).
To make series names unique, you can use an addition between square brackets (e.g. [1], or [2], or abbreviation of the publisher between []).

If all items that are part of that series (cards and possibly folder) are given exactly the same Series name, you have that advantage.

A series name 'Aerial photographs' is not a good series name. In every country there will be postcards with an aerial photo image. They (almost always) have nothing in common. They do not form a series!

3.9. Number in series

add:
You can achieve this order by choosing 'Series' in the 'Sorting' drop-down list.
Number in series is not intended for the numbering that you have invented and applied in your personal collection.

4. Catalog value

comment to be added after the tables:

Please note that in certain circumstances a used (actually mailed) postcard may have greater value than an unused copy in new condition. This is due to the cancellation and/or postage stamp that appears on it.
It goes without saying that a postcard (as a postal item, so it has actually been sent) with a neat postage stamp from Belgium OBP no. 37 on it (an expensive postage stamp from Belgium), and a neat, identifiable cancellation, can give the value of a postcard an enormous boost. to give.



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General comment:

This is stated everywhere, including in the help texts for all input fields, but it does not matter whether you use a period or a comma, the system accepts both.
What is confusing is that on the (Dutch, French and German) item page the dimensions are shown with a decimal point and on the Edit page with a period.
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Please note that in certain circumstances a used (actually mailed) postcard may have greater value than an unused copy in new condition. This is due to the cancellation and/or postage stamp that appears on it.
I don't think that has anything to do with the catalog value of the card. A card with Marilyn Monroe's signature also has more value than one without, just as a comic book with the author's drawing in it is worth more than without.
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Thanks for the review, edited, except for the Catalog Value, where I agree with stripspeldjes . This has nothing to do with the catalog value, but it does have to do with the asking price of a card for sale. As a seller you must explicitly state this.
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A series name 'Aerial photographs' is not a good series name.
I also have this problem in the pin section, especially because people confuse the term "Series" with "Series/Hero". Then you get, for example, a series of Disney: Donald Duck , with a completely random selection of cards.
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That is why cards with such a signature belong in a different category (not postcards). There is a specific 'Signatures' section for this.

This is different for actual cards. These are the cards in 'used' condition (address on it, stamp on it, and cancellation).
If you happen to have a card with OBP 37 on it, I would not apply the table from the manual for the catalog value.
Such items do not have their own section (this is also not possible, postal items are not allowed on LD).
They can only be put in a collection or shop via the Postcards section, in used condition.
I think the warning is important. The catalog value 'used', especially for older cards, cannot be determined in a straightforward manner. You won't lose one used card for 20 cents, the same card, used, can be sold within 20 seconds for 100 euros.
With 'used', as a postcard collector you have to take more into account than just the value 'unused in new condition' as a reference.

Buyers who are after such bats will not like to see such comments published. There are always profiteers who exploit ignorance.
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Raoul62 The catalog value basically concerns the "bare" item, without later additions. You ca n't give a catalog value for a specific used condition that just happens to be worth more.
I understand what you want to warn ignorant amateurs about, but that problem exists in every section.
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When is a postcard in new condition, and when has a postcard been used?
Actually, the purpose of a postcard is to send it. By stating an address on the card (the back), franking it and posting it.
That seems 'used' to me, doesn't it? Or... uh... are you thinking of a different kind of used for 'Used'? LOL

It is already clear that there are other cards in the section (where you cannot tell that they have been used). That is why it was described and (definitively) recorded in a manual where everyone (including those who create an account on LD tomorrow) can read it.

But in my opinion 'used' is indeed a postcard that has fulfilled its function. In other words, it has been sent.
With 'used' it is sometimes very difficult to determine a catalog value. For the same card used, this can sometimes be half a euro, and sometimes 500 euros (or more).
If 'used' in postcards means something else...then I'm ignorant (and innocent).
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With 'used' it is sometimes very difficult to determine a catalog value. For the same card used, this can sometimes be half a euro, and sometimes 500 euros (or more).

Raoul62
I don't think it's any harder at all. You should rely on the 'average' card used. A very special stamp or cancellation on that card is a specific feature of a specific copy. So you don't take that into account when determining the value.
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I wonder how many special stamps or cancellations you will find on postcards?
I have never come across one of all the cards I have ever received from snotter to senior...
And if I sent them: buy cards and stamps in the souvenir shop in the (holiday) country.
'Standard' stamps.
Would like to receive a card from Nauru...
It might be worth a few euros.
Because of the stamp then? Or because of the map? Or both?...
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In the collectors' world, a used postcard is called a card that has traveled or walked and is often sought after among collectors. For many collectors, Mint Condition is a used card that has no scratches, still has the original color and no wrinkles. So it's like buying a new card, but it has text on it. And as far as the value of a postcard that has been passed through is concerned, it of course depends on who you speak to. A postcard collector doesn't really look at the stamp, but rather at the availability of a card.
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A few comments on point 3.8:

(E.g. at Comics: the Blue Series)
Perhaps you prefer it in full:
(for example at Comics: the Blue Series)

To make series names unique you can use an addition between square brackets (e.g. [1], or [2], or abbreviation of the publisher between [])

Is not clear.

If several series have the same name, you can use an addition between square brackets (e.g. [1], or [2], or abbreviation of the publisher between [])



A series name 'Aerial photographs' is not a good series name. In every country there will be postcards with an aerial photo image. They (almost always) have nothing in common. They do not form a series!

Not clear and redundant. Also incorrect. If a series on a postcard is called 'Aerial photographs', then that series name can simply be used. The text can therefore be removed.
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Then the series 'Aerial photographs' in the Postcards section is a very long-running series, where the publisher changed the name several times, and the layout is very diverse ...
A series of 'Aerial Photographs' could perhaps exist... a bunch of haphazard aerial photographs without any sense of coherence. There is usually an idea behind it when a publisher publishes a 'Series'.
As can be seen with postcards, 'Aerial photographs' is not a series. Well (maybe) a theme.
Just as 'Disney' can also be a series name, but as it is now in the postcards section, it concerns a theme.
What is a series... if a series is the same as theme, is theme still necessary as a separate field?
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This is a draft text that I wrote for the Pins Handbook*:
A Series consists of:
- Pins with a similar design;
- of the same material;
- released simultaneously or in successive years;
- by the same Company/organization.
The Theme is often the same (for all pins in a Series), but it does not have to be. Sometimes the pins are numbered, but that is not mandatory either.

None Series are:
- Different designs and designs around a specific subject, e.g. Elvis Presley (or other celebrities), Donald Duck (or other cartoon characters or series), football clubs, etc. These are at most Themes , within which (limited) Series are of course possible .

Take the liberty to adapt that for Postcards, or build on it.

*I have to make some time to finish that.
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