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Wouldn't it be desirable to equate the 'Country / Territory' field for postcards with that of the stamp section?
Now there is a bit of a walk with the assignment. In less than fifteen minutes I found almost 20 duplications (spread over 'Belgian Congo', 'Congo' and 'Congo-Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo)'.

It does not seem logical to me that an item can belong to 2 (or more) countries / areas.
A map from 'Belgian Congo' is not a map from 'Congo-Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo)'. Or does it not matter what the origin of the map is?
Or is it the postmark that is decisive? Then you can place a card, made in 1955, 10 times (and more) in the section ... each time a different 'year' (based on the postmark)?

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Let's just hope someone bites....
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Wouldn't it be desirable to equate the 'Country / Territory' field for postcards with that of the stamp section?
I wouldn't have thought that there would be a difference between them.... in my opinion that could/should/should be the same table.... right?
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Probably not as you hoped.
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No, not the same base.
Apparently you can freely think of and add country names in the postcards section. For example, there is a country 'Congo' ... The reality is a bit more complex.
That is why I was able to discover almost 20 duplications in less than fifteen minutes.
In addition, you can put a postcard in several countries ... Don't try it with a stamp :)
For example, maps of 'Belgian Congo' (< 1960) also extend into 'Congo-Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo)' (> 1960). One map cannot possibly have been made in both 1955 and 1965.


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Raoul62 and ApiSta as a "by-catch" to my philately collection I have entered a few postcards. It is not clear to me when you are allowed to enter a country.

Is that only if there is a clearly site-specific building or object on it? Or is it the country where the card was issued?

Collectioneur the help description is extra confusing here:
The name of the country. If there is no name on the postcard, leave it blank.
On #5855701 there is no country on the map, but it is evident that it is a map from the Soviet Union from the year 1926. Essentuki is also located in the Soviet Union and the publishing house is also located in the Soviet Union (Goznak in Moscow).


Incidentally, Elizabeth named the series "1926 Post Horns" on import. However, on the map, the series is listed, namely "Caucasus". Possibly unreadable for most users, but wouldn't it be better to copy what's on the card anyway?
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No, not the same base.
That's a pity. As a result, it is extra prone to errors, sensitive to maintenance, chances of inconsistency ( Congo or Congo?) are high and it is also redundant. It's a shame.
In addition, you can put a postcard in several countries.
These are those cards from the factory that always have the same picture, but have an appearance with "greetings from Berlin" but also one with "greetings from Brussels". The card could have been printed in China. What do you record then?
For example, maps of 'Belgian Congo' (< 1960) also extend into 'Congo-Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo)' (> 1960). One map cannot possibly have been made in both 1955 and 1965.
Harry Potter cards or reprints? That applies to 1 card and you are right, but it is possible for 2 identical cards whose making time differs.
It is not clear to me when you are allowed to enter a country.
I would expect a list box with a dropdown. A table with (historical) countries and no free imports. Things like Swaziland (Eswatini) or Swaziland can then be avoided, unless a (subtle) name change has taken place over time. This could be overcome by also recording the history of a country.


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There is no free choice in the case of Postal Stationery. Philately is a fairly exact science, with sources of information documenting that science.

Example: a Post Stationery issued in 1912 by 'Le Ministre des Colonies' (no, not bPost lol) for use in the Belgian Congo.
That can IMPOSSIBLE be attributed to country 'Congo Democratic Republic'. That country (area) did not yet exist in 1912.
Since the postage validity ended in 1921, no one should claim that additional copies were printed in the period that the Democratic Republic of Congo did exist.

The map is printed in 2 different places (front / back ... depending on position). The recto at Waterlow & Sons London, and the verso at Nels Bruxelles.
I could understand that countries such as the United Kingdom and Belgium are attached to it as a 'postcard'.

However, as Postal Stationery (officially UPU proofed postage valid item) one country/area: Belgian Congo. The Postal Stationery was made for (use in) the Belgian Congo. That's what it says on the pre-printed stamp. Neat as it should be in philately: country and value must be legibly stated on the postage (except for the United Kingdom, the origin of the stamps/philately).

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Philately is a fairly exact science

Oops, philately is not a science, collecting stamps is a hobby, publishing stamps is a business. No science involved.
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Science (truth) vs non-science (opinion).

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Yes guys.
Then a simple question.
And hopefully a simple and clear answer.
What is meant by the 'Country' field in Postcards?
The country where the card was made/printed?
Or the country to which the map relates.
A 'promotion card' has nothing to do with a country.
If I enter a map of a cityscape of Amsterdam, for example: that is in NL, but the map can be made anywhere.
Country only counts when it comes to a place name. From title it goes to place, street, country,...
I don't think there is much concern about where the map is 'made'.
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I wouldn't have thought that there would be a difference between them.... in my opinion that could/should/should be the same table.... right?

This will be realized one day, attempts have been made, but each section has its own mores. Video games, for example, work with regions, Stamps with countries and/or areas that no longer exist, others work with a limited set of countries that do not want to be confronted with an excessively large list of areas, etc. Even the naming (in the 4 languages) can be already lead to discussions, for example, is it now England, Great Britain, United Kingdom or simply the UK?
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England, Great Britain, United Kingdom or simply the UK?

What the differences are may well be known by now, right?
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For some, the distinction is fairly clear. But for many categories there is only one England, while this is not formally a country.
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For example, Video Games works with regions, Stamps with countries and/or areas that no longer exist, others work with a limited set of countries that do not want to be confronted with an excessively large list of areas, etc.
This is still possible in 1 table with different filters from different focus areas. Easy? No, certainly not, but once there it does provide a lot of convenience.

Perhaps the ISO3166-1 could be used for naming countries, for naming regions/areas there might be something similar.
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There is nothing simple in the collector's world.
The ISO tables do not cover all countries/territories in use.
At the moment there are more urgent matters than an LD-wide country/area table, partly because it does not cause any real problems the way it functions now.
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Collectioneur , clear. ISO was also just a first step, there are more such tables.

I do believe that there are more pressing matters, the question to eea eea comes from Raoul62, not from me, although I think it is a justified one.
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