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On a CD of Loudon Wainwright III Last Dodo 9317465 I come across the rights organizations BEL BIEM. I can't find BEL in the list. Is this a rights organization? If so, can it be added to the list.
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FransS
You can add [GBR] to Rights organization Britico, see #5876697
Question, what about ASCAP / BMI and CAPAC see #6065813
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Britico could be added as that is a "Mechanical Rights Organization" similar to MCPS. See picture.

The other 3 come under Performance Rights (Capac is Canadian) and are therefore not about records and CDs.

I add Britico.

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I only now see your question... Bel stands for " Bureau Europeén des Licenses (= European License Office). If you see that it is a European publication. It seems to be a fairly recent organization, but I don't know about which one. the three rights they go I have yet to figure that out.
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In the meantime I have come across the mention BEL BIEM on several CDs. So it seems important to me. OA on the CD Tijd by Bram Vermeulen 9325695 I can't find any clarity about this online either. Perhaps it was temporary. The logo is in all cases the same in shape and font.
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FransS I have found another CD with the BEL BIEM logo Proxima estacion Esperanza by Manu Chao 177723 I will mention it in the details from now on so that they can be found.
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mwb222
I haven't found much on line either. Searching on Bel en license yields a lot of information about Belgian driving licenses ;-) In any case, it is not that old yet and it is a private body. It probably has to do with CDs manufactured in the European Union. I'll keep looking.
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Oh, forgot.... Mentioning it is a good idea. When we are out, we can quickly fill in the correct fields on the basis of this.
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I'm not quite sure about Bel either, but check out the Competition.
Have a look, In the Virgin Dark by Jan Leyers in the edition of Belgien.
There is Bel as a rights organization
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For French releases, there is a block on the label with 4 names in it, all of which are in the list.
Fill in all 4 for items?
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Yes, fill in all four.
Sacem / SACD / SGDL and SDRM
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Still no American in the list, Ascap, Bmi.
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I have already asked this question.
See what FransS replied on the 28.08.2022.
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They are organizations that collect money for stakeholders. There are 3 types of organizations:

1) those engaged in the collection of Executive Rights . Simply put, if you play someone else's song, you have to pay for it. In the Netherlands that is BUMA. Artists are usually affiliated with BUMA.
2) those who are concerned with Reproductive (Mechanical) rights. Put again simply: if you make a record, cassette, or CD, you pay an amount per copy. In the Netherlands, these are collected by STEMRA. Usually record companies are members. It is also wise for artists who release under their own management to collect the money through STEMRA.
3) those concerned with Neighboring Rights . Music played in football canteens, hospitals, shops, etc. are billed every year by SENA (Netherlands)

Only the second category is important to us. You used to have the French BIEM and foreign record companies could also join it. That is why you usually see BIEM on Dutch records until 1968 (establishment of STEMRA). After 1968, sometimes until the company in question joined STEMRA. Nowadays, BIEM has become more of an interest group for foreign rights organizations. STEMRA is also affiliated with BIEM. That is why you often see BIEM/STEMRA on CDs.

Now for your question: the American organizations you mention are companies that deal with category 1, the executive rights and so they are not included in LD. There is an organization in the USA that is involved with category 2 and that is the Harry Fox Organization (HFO). We can record that, but until now I have never come across an American record / CD that mentions that. Once you find that one, we'll add the HFO to the list.
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Great, HFO means nothing to me either.
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Oops... It's HFA (Harry Fox Agency)....
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Also unknown, but now I know what to look out for. :)
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I think I found one for the list, I've seen this one before on records, namely DR is Droits Réservés, in any case has to do with rights.
Have a few examples, #9387595 and #9387639
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All rights reserved in Dutch. In short, it means that you are not allowed to imitate anything. It does appear regularly on records. But is not linked to payments such as the executive, mechanical and neighboring rights.
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Found another one.
What's up with Austro Mechana bv with this one, #5683795
I think it's one.
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That is the Austrian Stemra and it is on the list. Well to each other. I'll add it to the single.
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Found one for the list, at least it's not in it yet.
It's about SCAM
Belongs to France.
Have a few examples, #9496469 and #9496433
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I have searched in vain for SCAM. Couldn't find anything. What I did find is that SACEM is the most important. In any case, SCAM is not a member of BIEM.
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Have another example with SCAM on it, #9506679
I think it is one.
Found this about it, French rights society for multimedia authors SCAM
In French, Société civile des authors multimedia.
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Who can read French ?
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