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There are quite a few comics and book editions with retold or derivative stories, where the original author is mentioned with the addition [to] (for Comics) or [to] (for Books).

That's fine, except that addition is everywhere after the first name, not after the last name. That goes wrong on the detail page of each author.
For example, the header at Abkoude, Chris from [to] becomes Chris from [to] Abkoude .

We have already found that square brackets cause problems when used (in the Stamps section) around dates of birth and death. The problem here is identical.

I see two solutions, both to be performed by administrators:
1. Move the addition to after the last name: Abkoude [to], Chris van
2. Placing the addition between normal brackets: Abkoude, Chris van (to) (then the same code as with Postage stamps can be used to always place the text between brackets at the end.)
And a third, to be executed by a programmer:
3. Code an exception so that all text enclosed in square brackets is always placed at the end.

There are currently about 862 for Comics and 146 for Books, so I know which solution I would prefer.
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 That goes wrong on the detail page of each author.
The headline at e.g. Abkoude, Chris from [to] becomes Chris from [to] Abkoude.

Oops, that's not good.

This seems like the best solution:
3. Encode an exception so that all text in square brackets always comes at the end.

I'll put that on our priority list.
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Wow, that went fast...

Thank you!
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I've only just noticed that in Books there are some names with (to) in parentheses, starting with Cervantes. Not too much, so a book manager should work on that.
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Wow, that went fast...

Thank you!

You're welcome. Sometimes things go fast :-)
Thank you for reporting!

Check if you come across situations where things don't go well and which we need to solve in the code Boekenmagazijn 
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Here's another example where the 'bold title' goes wrong.

Item: 1893883
Instead of the current title [Emperor Wilhelm II] the title from 2013 [Willem II] [avb 200] shown.

Here too, square brackets seem to be in jeopardy.
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I've only just noticed that in Boeken there are some names with (to) in parentheses, starting with Cervantes. Not too much, so a book manager should work on that.

Done

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What a super fast service!
This will be a productive day ;-)
Thank you!
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Strange that the title is not current. Probably related to something else.
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 Strange that the title is not current. Probably related to something else.
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Restored, thanks for reporting.
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That was fast again!
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Rene We now have it neatly in Dutch, but there are also 3 other languages....

German: [nach]
English: [after]
French: [d 'après]

That has hardly been filled in yet. There must be no simple script to add it automatically...?!
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Ah, I didn't think of that
Very good Boekenmagazijn 
Obviously we now always have to solve things properly in all languages.
I'm creating an action.
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By the way, the position of the brackets in other languages on the detail page that started this topic is going well. Because we only look at square brackets and not at what is in between.
But we have to add all those "[to]" entries in NL in other languages as well. Perhaps with a script.
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German: [nach]
English: [after]
French: [d'après]

That has hardly been completed yet. There must be no simple script to add it automatically...?!

This has been solved, please check if it now works properly everywhere.
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Collectioneur So, worked all night? ;-)

Dissolved? hmm. Yes and no.

It seems that a code has been programmed that automatically translates the word "to" in square brackets into the different language versions. That works indeed, eg Marten Toonder [after] becomes Marten Toonder [d'après] on the French site.
But if you look in the History of the author name , you see that the language fields are not translated,

If you filter the author list by d'apres , you won't find Toonder either. You only get 4 results, and those are (not coincidentally) names with the additions translated manually, by Jilles.
In Dutch there are 145 authors with the addition [to].

In Comics there are 861 authors with the suffix [to] , of which only 49 are found with the French [d'apres] .
(And one with [apres] , but that has to be corrected manually.)

So it's a workaround, but it's not the find-and-replace script I had in mind....
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Small addition:

French, German and English users cannot (as mentioned) filter on [d'apres], [nach] or [after] in the Author list, but they can filter on [to] .
And on the item page, the names on the foreign-language sites are still displayed in the Dutch form:

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In response to a question about the alternating use of straight [hooks] and curved (brackets), I came across this topic.
This action has not yet been completed, because searching in the other language versions of LastDodo does not (yet) work properly on {after], [d'après] and [nach], because that information has not been entered in the other language fields. We hereby request administrators to also place the name + translation of [to] in the other language fields for names with the suffix [to].

Also the urgent request (all sections) not to use curved (brackets) in a name, title, etc., only if this is really part of a title/name. All additions, etc., should be stated between the square [brackets] in accordance with Basic Manual 6.3.
I think the problems with the display in the headers are resolved if, among other things, the year of birth / death is also stated between square brackets.

It is not really useful if this is adjusted per item, please leave this to the administrators. There is certainly no urgency, but it does make it clear that the intention is that ultimately only aliases will be between the curved (brackets).

Please report if this causes any problems.
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Does this also apply to years under People themes in the Stamps section?
No square brackets are used there at all, as far as I can see (unfortunately you can't search for those kinds of punctuation marks).
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In principle yes, although there are many here with (brackets).
In the management environment you can search for [19 and (19
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27,459 names, of which at least 90% contain dates. I don't think an administrator should start doing that. This is a job for... Programmer-Man.

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Looks good, well thought out :-)
These kinds of numbers are certainly not suitable for manual work.
What I'm more concerned about is that we take this in automatically, so that no more are added.
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German: [nach]
English: [after]
French: [d'après]
d'après = according to
après = after
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The expression used here (naar/after/d'après/nach) is meant to indicate a book written in the style of [the original author], not "according to" ("following") or "later than" ("na ").

For example:
( Adaptation of) The Three Musketeers, after Alexandre Dumas .
( Adaptation de) Les Trois Mousquetaires, d'après Alexandre Dumas .
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in response to your very first message, the use of the name Chris van Abcoude.
This is mentioned in the catalog as Abcoude, Chris van. Shouldn't this be: from Abcoude, Chris.
This man introduces himself to someone as: Chris van Abcoude or as: van Abcoude, Chris.
Not Abcoude, Chris van. Or is this going to be bullshit?
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