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Been saving stamps for a long time and have always bought a lot of boxes, etc. at auction houses and the like, then you sometimes come across something that makes you think, what is this again, anyway, after a while of searching without results you put them back down somewhere and of course it reappears after a long time. I have a letter here from Hungary, I have several, dated April 14, 1950, with the stamp of a block, there is also a card in it, I made some scans, first the envelope, then the back, the card that is inside and the diff. R strip, s at the bottom left of the letter, I wonder if anyone knows the solution, have fun with it.
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Unfortunately I can't help you (much) further. The envelope doesn't give much more information than it is a postcard. Sent on April 15, 1950. The stamp on the card is stamped on April 14, 1950. The block itself was issued in 1949 (November 20). So it is not a first day cancellation either. The R stamp indicates that it is a special shipment. But I can't read what is printed (blurred). The same goes for the postmark. Post office Debrecen is also mentioned on the map. All in all, still a mystery to me, but interesting nonetheless. Why does the Debrecen post office put a block stamp in an unaddressed envelope well after the day of first cancellation?
I would say add the card to the catalog with the use type without postage value, with other type and with issue 1949 chain bridge.
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Yes, I never got very far either, I already asked an auction house, among others, they didn't know either, maybe I should do a Hungarian language course, don't add it to the catalog yet, the funny thing is that I have five of those envelopes and a few cards, all with the same address and cancellation, only the R stamps are different, who knows, maybe someone will come by last dodo who knows something about them, for now the mess will all go back in the closet
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Unfortunately I am not an expert on Hungary either, but in other Eastern Bloc countries I have often seen (for special shipments?) on the front a stamp of the post office where the envelope is sent and on the back a stamp of the office where it is received .

With that interpretation, the stamp would have been sent on April 14 in Budapest and received on April 15 in Debrecen. Since "Postahivatalnak" Post Office, this matches the addressing.

On the back is a stamp with "Belyegertekesito NV". Via Google I traced this back to Bélyegértékesítő. If you put this in translate it says "Stamp seller" (or stamp seller). Possibly sent from one post office to another.

Found another map with some of these terms on it:
https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/hungary-registered-fragment-150th-anniversary-of-istvan-szechenyi-1941/40392089


The stamp on the front seems to me to be a special cancellation. Maybe that's what it was all about and the card was there just for reinforcement? In short, a special cancellation from a post office in Budapest that was sent for philatelic purposes (sale/own use) to a friendly office in Debrecen. It remains a hypothesis, of course.

The card only says (unfortunately can't decipher everything):
"The name of the .... office:"
"..:"
"POSTCARD"

"Address:"
"Postal Service Affairs"

"1355. xx xx Postcard"
"1942, II r. 45. r. - 3600 ...."
"...Budapest. ..."


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Dear Helv, thank you for your message, it is and remains strange, the seal, the beautiful stamp, I still have five of these letters myself, have them div over the years. times, among other things, put on the marketplace with the question, who oh, who knows anything about this, but unfortunately, peanut butter, I wonder how many of these envelopes there are. Beautiful stamp, the block is mentioned in Michel, but not the stamp.
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