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Thanks to the extensive discussion / contributions on the forum and by mail, we can now draw up the final balance (in consultation with super administrator postmaster ).
This is a complex issue with widely differing opinions, but that is precisely why it is important to make a decision about it, so that the catalog remains manageable.

For inclusion in the LastDodo Stamp Catalog, we will use the following and include it in the Stamp Handbook:

A FDC (First Day Cover) is a special printed envelope containing the stamp(s) first issued on that day and stamped with the date of the first day of issue.

Additional lines:
  1. Different colors of stamps do not lead to separate items.
  2. Different order or location of the stamps do not lead to separate items. Also the number of stamps or the location of the stamp is not a separate item. Number of the same stamps pasted on the envelope is not a separate item (eg issue in block of four). Pasting other stamps is not a separate item.
  3. Envelopes with/without addresses or different addresses or attached postal labels do not lead to separate items.
  4. Special FDC stamps that are different lead to separate items.
  5. A stamp other than the special FDC stamp, but with the relevant date of cancellation, is included once. Stamps with other place names etc. are not included separately.

Preferably the complete series on 1 envelope. If the FDC is only issued per stamp on loose envelopes, then these are separate items. If the FDC has been issued with both series and separate stamps and they are otherwise identical, then only those with complete series.
If a series is stuck on 2 envelopes (because of too many stamps, it does not fit) and those envelopes are further identical, we include that as 1 item (2 envelopes in 1 image).

Before any changes are made/transferred, the Publisher field must be created next to the stamps. So don't transfer anything yet, etc.
Any items that do not comply with the rules are not considered as FDCs in the Stamp Catalog.
However, we are not going to get started with that right now, we will look later on how to deal with these existing items.
We still need to check some details, maybe we forgot something.

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If an FDC with different images on the envelope, are made in editions, are these different items?.
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January 28, 2022 17:55
Put em at the top again.
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April 02, 2022 19:42
Are these all allowed?. #9117537 #5766391 #5838697 #5838701
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Frageria I don't think so, same envelope, just a different place name, so transfer to Stamps department
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aartinge Just read point 4. of Collecteur's first post and leave everything as it is please.
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Am I curious then how many different FDC are in circulation, just from this stamp alone?. Must be hundreds.
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It must be a special cover and a special stamp. For this you actually have to look at the official issue program of that country (for Belgium it used to be 5 or 6 stamps, nowadays it's only 2).
Homemade covers from any post office in the entire country falls under home industry for me, but as you in can read the first message is that another project for the future.
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user-1713548 point 4 = Stamps with other place names etc. are not included separately.
is and was clear anyway
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aartinge 
I don't know where you read, but this is Collecteur's first post of this topic:
4. Special FDC stamps that are different lead to separate items.
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user-1713548 
See point 5 of the 1st message from collector:
Stamps with other place names etc. are not included separately.
So Aart is right about that.
The envelopes of the 1st and 2nd are also different. So I would include 2 FDCs:
#9117537 en #5766391

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Since 15/01/2022, the manual regarding the FDCs has been adjusted, and in this specific case clearly.
"Cannots with other place names, etc. are not included separately"

What is in it must be applied to the new items that come in.
The older ones, they were not illegal at the time and will be tackled in dribs and drabs if anyone comes across them.
In this case they are mi 4 covers, FDCs, from the same publisher, with the same stamp, and with the same postmark (except for the place name).
So the three most recent (1 of April 2022 and 2 of 2015) should be entitled 'DOUBLURE of ...'.
Or am I wrong?

Apart from the above, I do have an additional comment for Collectioneur and postmaster
The description included in the manual rattles a bit at the end.
"If the FDC has been issued with both series and loose stamps and they are otherwise identical, then only those with complete series."
It cannot be the intention, I think, that the following items are not allowed:
Series of 2 stamps:
- an FDC with stamp 1, CW 6 euros;
- an FDC with stamp 2, CW 17 euros;
- an FDC with both stamps, CW 4 euros.
This is realistic, see United Nations areas (all three).
There are also recurring examples, year after year, of issues consisting of 4 stamps. The endangered animals and plants.
For other examples: see WWF.

Just as the individual stamps of the series may or may not be in a collection, wish list or shop, the FDCs of the series may or may not be in a collection, wish list or shop. With perhaps many more seekers for that FDC with CW 17 euros from the example.
As a collector, I wouldn't know how else to designate and expand my collection (in case I don't already have the more expensive FDC in my possession).
You can't go anywhere with only the FDC that contains both stamps. Not as a collector (in the wishlist as a buyer), not as a seller (in the shop).

Conversely, "If a series is stuck on 2 envelopes (because of too many stamps, it doesn't fit) and those envelopes are otherwise identical, we will include that as 1 item", is also not workable.
Unless LD programmatically provides for a 'deduplication' procedure in the shop, as there is also a 'Combination offer' procedure. However, that makes everything unnecessarily complex, unuser-friendly and therefore unworkable.

Then I come back to the point I wrote a year ago: "For FDCs (and perhaps other cardboard philately) LD will not work. For that I have to look for another online platform to manage my collection and purchases" .
As a USER of LD, LD is not usable for my collections of FDC, Maximum Cards and First Newspapers. It will again be a personal management (Excel) and raids on eBay, Delcampe, 2dehands and Marktplaats.nl. I've already started it, and it does eat up some of my time, of course.
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In this case, I think it's 4 covers, FDCs, from the same publisher, with the same stamp, and with the same stamp (except for the place name).
So the three most recent (1 from April 2022 and 2 from 2015) would be in the title 'DOUBLURE of ...'.
Or am I wrong?

on the one hand they are doubles or they fall under Stamps, I would go for Doublures, but it is a job. if I only look at Belgium 1960/1969. you can suffice with only changing the 1st title in duplication, that makes a difference.


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Whyaartinge  , remove everything (NL-FR-D-E) and fill, Doublure of xxx, in the NL line. The rest will be translated automatically.
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aartinge Raoul62 There was a whole forum discussion about FDC a few months ago (these are topics from early January that precede this topic, I would be surprised if you experienced forum users missed this). From this postmaster  and Collectioneur have made the final decision and that is this topic (and like it or not, everyone follows the rules and we are not going to discuss for weeks again).
But the fact that there are still information is always contradictory means that either the definition is not clear yet or that some like to react rebellious.
What I read (and would like to confirm postmaster !):
- A different special FDC stamp (point 4) can all be included (e.g. for Belgium there is a Brussels stamp and a Bruxelles stamp) (and eg France I leave to an expert, but I suspect that there were 4 pre-sale places of this stamp)
- A arbitrary ordinary stamp (point 5) from any post office may not/only 1 (eg not a hundred from post office throughout Belgium, the Netherlands, ...)
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remove everything (NL-FR-D-E) and fill, Doublure of xxx, in the NL line. The rest will be translated automatically.
Removing all that makes no sense, because there are no other people hanging on it. then just the importer of all those different stamps
Postmaster is the only one that needs to see that, and the importer.
That works faster for these fdcs and can also merge them faster


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user-1713548  after Jan 15th I started noting duplications, but they have all been canceled by postmaster. so what does that list of changes mean.
apparently nothing is certain yet!
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No, we actively participated in that discussion.
The decision has been made and it must be respected.

But it will be without the collectors of cardboard philately. I explained. I'm such a collector, so I was able to give a nice view of it (as a collector, not as an administrator).
That's why I've been working on my own personal tool for the management of my collection of FDC's, FDS's for a few days now. , Maximum cards, ...  (not only per country, also the themes such as WWF, Int. year of the child, UNO Flag series, ...).
For the rest it is nice for the non-FDC collectors like there is a picture of an FDC here and there in the stamp section. That will be its only functional use. I just wanted to say that as a collector.
It has been decided, and the agreements are laid down in the handbook. We follow that 100% as an administrator.
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For the rest, it is nice for non-FDC collectors if there is a picture of a postage stamp  in the stamp section here and there. That will be its only functional use. I just wanted to say that as a collector.
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user-1713548 Indeed, you read it correctly.
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Okay, new proposal. Why not a new section for FDC, maximum cards and postal stationery?
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Frageria Because all those extras have to be attached to the same Issue as the stamp. It's already complicated enough.
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A section with fewer lines. Everyone is happy, the "die hard" stamp collector and the first day collector.
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Apart from the issue of the stamp?.
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7451Dick 
Who are you quoting there?
Are not my exact words.
If you use Quote, you are not allowed to change the text. Then you are cheating the community.

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