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The unambiguous rule when registering a DOUBLURE is that the newest stamp is labeled as DOUBLURE.

In some cases, the newer stamp contains much more information than the old stamp. Is this information automatically copied to the old seal when the duplication is removed by the super admin?

Or does the information expire and it is desirable that the person who reports the duplication also update the fields of the old stamp?
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If item A (the duplication) is merged with item B, the info of the fields of item A will be lost.
It will go with item B: The collectors, shops and lists of values.
< br>Basically, the newest item is labeled as Doublure. However, if there is significantly more and/or better information/photos with that newest item, it may also be turned around. At Stamps it was (perhaps still is) that items entered by Collect-A-Rom should always remain. postmaster should have a look at that.
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The rule within stamp is clear. The eldest remains standing. In some cases I will fill in the fields of the permanent seal.
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As far as I know, Postmaster is the only one that merges duplicates on stamps. This primarily concerns data such as: sellers, owners, seekers. In addition, he will merge the present properties of both based on "common sense", i.e. keep best image, compare data like watermark and perforation etc. That's why it takes so much time. So you can never say with certainty which of the two (or more) will stay; the tacit agreement is to keep the oldest if possible.
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Delete (for example merging) can only be done by the main administrator if there are collectors or seekers attached to it. If they don't, and there is max. one seller of the item, and the item has not yet been 'reviewed', you can also do it as an administrator. 2 sellers is one too many. But with a sweet message you sometimes achieve something :)  And everything you can solve as an administrator frees up time with the main administrator.
In other words: an item that is added by a seller to place it in his shop, and the turns out to be a duplication: all admins can point the item to the vertical rankings if you catch them fast enough. The sooner the better.

When I see a duplication I try to transfer the good data from the new that the old doesn't have. Anyone on LD can do that. If you are an administrator, it is best to first check the non-reviewed data of the item that continues to be reviewed before you change it yourself. After all, there is a chance that there are still changes that are also administrators. As an administrator, you will no longer see an item that you have changed yourself in the management module if that change has not yet been approved by another administrator. For example, there are many items that almost no administrator sees in the management module, so that they remain open forever.
Is it a se-tenant and a series that have to be merged (must be in one item, you know? ), then as an administrator you can enter the image of the duplication without L-brand and place it as the 2nd image with the item to keep. The person who then has to merge (main administrator) has some worries less.
It doesn't matter which image is the 1st or the 2nd. Any administrator can then quickly exchange this with the management module if necessary.

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Indeed we keep the oldest entry. Collect-a-rom items no longer have priority, so that doesn't matter anymore.
So you don't have to doubt which item you transfer info to, always to the oldest entry.
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I noticed that in 2 series I have in my collection which is actually 1 series.
How can I ensure that this series is seen/treated as 1 series, without this affecting other collectors/sellers.
In my case it is number #7751475 and #7751485
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This is a difficult (and tricky one). The stamps are all from the same stable (issue).
4 stamps have been issued separately, each of which has also appeared in a sheet of 4. Each toothed and toothless.
In addition, a block has been issued with 4 (other) different stamps. Also toothed and toothless. The stamps from that block were not even issued as sheetlets.
I hope so. But you never know with countries like Burundi.
Like many other African countries where the overview (policy) was lacking, a commercial firm has bought in and officially received the title of 'Postal government'. Hence the unauthorized numbers of issues, and variations on the issues, in that country. It is possible that within a few years all those issues (which are now featured in official catalogues) will be labeled 'illegal' or 'unauthorized'.

The most effective (practical, functional and useful) is all in one issue, with the first four being provided as a (sub)series on LD, and so are the 4 stamps of the block. That's how it is now.
Many collectors have one (sub) series complete, many collectors the other (because, for example, they have the block double in their collection).
The group that has both subseries (all 8 different loose stamps) in collection will be significantly smaller.
The search for completeness will usually also focus on one or the other (sub)series. In this way, the offer can be tailored accordingly.
The alternative is 2 issues, supplemented with Roman numerals in brackets: (I) and (II). Then you lose overview and functionality (reduced effectiveness).
With all in one issue, and one serial item (with 8 loose stamps in it) you can
- only appeal to collectors who have all 8 in their collection and do not want to mark them separately (occurs);
- only appeal to seekers who don't know anything about it yet;
- only appeal to sellers who have them all on offer.
Then you sideline collectors/seekers/suppliers who are dealing with one of the 2 subseries. Hence: practical, functional and useful.

This is a choice of the administrator of Burundi (héhé :)). A choice with ground (the effective). They are 2 different series within the same issue.

The same problem arises in Japan, in a slightly different way. In an issue there are sometimes 10 stamps (in a block) issued with, for example, a value of 62, and in addition 10 stamps (in a block) with a value of 82.
Make 2 issues out of it ... then it becomes an excruciatingly long list of issues, you can never get them together in an overview, and you have to constantly add roman numerals to issue names (which can sometimes become an issue within a year in Japan). have a tracking number).
I am also in favor of one issue, with 2 (sub) series within it.
The stamps from the issue with face value 82 are more common, and less expensive, than those with face value 62. In addition, Sakura gives each block a different catalog number, so the stamps (which usually have the number + a lowercase letter) inherit that different number. .

PS: the loose stamps of both (sub)series are not yet available on LD in the stamp section. This is a little hint :)

PS2: if the principle of those sub-series is not accepted, we will split all these issues further. And a lot of current series within certain issues will disappear (normal mail vs airmail). Would be a shame for the practical, functional and useful.
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With the above science (the background), concrete to your question

How can I ensure that this series is seen/treated as 1 series

It didn't say in which circumstances you want to see them treated as 1 series ... then just a description for all possibilities:

In collection
There is no problem here. Click on each of the 2 series and add (in the desired condition). Although I personally prefer to indicate the loose stamps in collection. Then you have a clearer view of the numbers in your collection (the old-fashioned list: numbers per country (/year).

In search list
Imho no problem either. Are you looking for both? Then you indicate both in your search list. There is a good chance that one series will be offered by seller A, the other by seller B. Sometimes at different times. That way you can still strive for completeness. After all, the chance that one seller will offer both (sub)series is small.

In Shop
Shouldn't be an obstacle either. Do you have everything from the issue in separate stamps for sale: offer both (more chance of purchase, if there are seekers for one, or the other, (sub) series).
Do you still want to offer both (sub)series only in full: combination offer.


In whatever circumstances: because they are in one issue, you always have a complete overview. Just click on the issue name in the detail of one of the items from that issue = the overview.
If you do that in the catalogue, you will see all items from the issue that are available on LD.
If you do that in your collection: you will see all the items in your collection from that issue.
...
This immediately underlines the importance of the Issue . A field that new users sometimes dare to leave empty during their first input (additions). Too bad (sorry for the missed opportunities because of that).
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Thank you for your very detailed response. I'm going to re-read it once or twice.

I had already seen here in the community that the series concerned is sometimes quite complicated and that people with different interests have different ideas about this.

I think I get your hint, I'll see if I can take this seriously ;)
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<0> <1> look again, it is 2 series and not 1
#7751475 has other stamps than #7751485
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That was clear Art.
The only confusion is that in most cases all loose stamps of an issue are contained in one series item. In this case they are split into 2 sub-series.

I've tried to explain why this is only beneficial here (and in Japan). For both the seeker-collector and the seller. While it will be for a collector: the loose stamps are preferably placed in the collection.

Note that the breakdown of issues (by series, with those Roman numerals (I), (II), (III), ...) is more of a burden than a solution. All in one 'Issue', but with functional (sub-)series if this offers advantages.

The stamp section is the only section where there is an exception to the rule 'No combined items': Series. But then only for individual stamps (in such a series item). And we'd like to keep that exception that way (offers benefits, not just for the shops). But functional where possible.
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The only confusion is that in most cases all loose stamps of an issue are contained in one series item. In this case they are split into 2 sub-series.
I think these are just the stamps from a block, 4 stamps per block and therefore a series per block.
I think because there is not yet 8 stamps or series, which according to you really is the series, you can only talk about that lack.
Furthermore, <1> could place these 2 existing series as a combination in his set as being 1 series, or add it himself in LD.

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In ten years I have never received an answer to my question what a series of stamps means!
Everyone has their own rules that rarely match. The manager of an area then decides what he/she thinks a series is.
The conclusion will therefore be that the concept of series can just as easily be abolished in stamps.
A collector can use the "bulk add" function to keep his administration up to date, a seller can, if desired, put all stamps for sale via a "combination offer".

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In the meantime, I have become an avid follower of the series item;
Sometimes, in the very recent years, a series item is added. Then you immediately see which items of loose stamps belong to it. As a user (also administrators are users), you can search for those items, and correct them if they are not yet in the same issue. Or add in the appropriate issue.
When searching in a year of a country with hundreds of stamps: select on 'series' and you will find much easier where the stamp you are looking for is (or should be).
In other words, it is not only an advantage for a shop owner. But for everyone.
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Is it perhaps an option not to enter series anymore, but to be able to indicate with an item that this is a series? For example, if I press issue (click), then I get to see the entire series ?. In my view, as <0> has indicated for a long time, a separately mentioned series is completely superfluous.
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to stop entering series
The answer is: no, that is not an option.
See my previous comment, and the many discussions over the years that I've already noticed on the forum.

In the ideal (fictional) world, where with a hocus pocus all new stamps per issue would all (completely) be transferred to LD in one go, you might consider that. But then again: the search is also facilitated by means of the series items.

In the real world, every now and then a stamp from an issue (series) blows in. As soon as someone places the series item on LD, everyone immediately has a good overview and something to hold on to. Even though all those loose stamps are not on it yet (which is usually the case in the more recent calendar years).

For those who want to add a stamp it is so easy to see visually confirmed to which issue the stamp belongs.
If you have another catalog (Michel, for example) you can also add the catalog numbers there: a 2nd handhold / checkpoint.
After that, every collector can use LD as a full catalog completely independently, without the help of another catalog . Even though not all individual stamps of a series are already on it. And that is ultimately what we want: a fully usable stamp catalogue.

That it's a boon for sellers is just an (extra) bonus.

At first I saw it the other way around. Focus on that bonus. Gradually you start to see that the series are more than just commercial packaging. It is a powerful and essential part of searching, using and navigating the catalog.
Those other benefits (besides the bonus) alone are more than enough to answer: no, that's not an option .
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As soon as someone places the series item on LD, everyone immediately has a good overview and something to hold on to. Even though all those loose stamps are not on it yet (which is usually the case in the more recent calendar years).
This immediately shows the tragedy of the situation. No one bothers to enter all stamps of a series separately, even if he has them, scanned and all.
Easy, yes, but is it exactly what you DO NOT want for the database.
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And then a very concrete example , taken from life.

Suppose you have a stamp that you want to place on LD in collection. You don't have a catalog (and you don't have to, because there is LD).
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The first thing you do is look. perceive. Read what's on the seal.
You see: Afghanistan Post 1998 1500 AFS, (prehistoric) horse

You open the stamp category, Country/Area Afghanistan, and filter on 1998-1998.
The seal is not found (as a separate item), but you will see that seal in a series item:

<1>
Conclusion: the seal is not present on LD and may be added. Based on the serial item data, it's a breeze to add the item correctly, with minimal typing:
1. take a neat scan
2. Click on series item (detail) and choose Options / Copy item
3. adjust the necessary fields (Sequence number in issue: 6, Face value = 1500, Species = Stamp, Shown on the stamp = Horse, Adjust Michel number, or discard if you are not sure, Image 1 = your own neat scan)
4. done: loose stamp neatly added.
And every other user who sees your addition will think: 'Wow, that seal has been added with knowledge!'.

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<0> Thanks :)
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The pass was also so beautiful, I had to head in. While in the meantime KVK fails to do this against STVV :)
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My concrete example proves otherwise...
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series is well described in the manual. Only, in such cases as in the example of this thread, there is a space (lacuna, gray zone).

Perhaps we can say:
In case of doubt or for practical/functional reasons, the manager of a Country/Territory may decide that sub-series is used in an issue. If there is no administrator, the super administrator decides.

A completely conclusive description is almost impossible. A human act (decision) must be made.
As in more situations, a conclusive description is impossible.
Finally, isn't that what we have administrators for?
They can also consult (behind the scenes) with other users and administrators before making a decision.
Leaving it to arbitrariness (leaving everyone free to do what he or she wants) on the wiki is not an alternative.
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<0> you're going too fast
A collector can use the "bulk add" function to keep his administration up to date, a seller can, if desired, put all stamps for sale via a "combination offer".
a collector can only put a combination of all stamps for sale or in his collection as a series, but then all stamps must be in the catalog. and if these are not there, then a series as a separate item is a solution.
In ten years I have never received an answer to my question what a series of stamps means!
a series is a combination of stamps that belong together and that have also been issued as a series.
So why you don't know that is a mystery to me, and because some stamps are not for sale separately at the postal institution.
Be happy that this is possible on LD, but it may also be that you cannot buy every stamp or series, because not every stamp of a series is on LD, what a solution is it to buy the series.
However, Dick actually does not want to allow a series on LD, in fact he wants to ensure that not everyone can keep up with his collection or cannot buy what someone wants to buy. like a series.



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<0> I assume you are speaking as a seller (zero items in your collection). ALL your conclusions are, as usual, viewed through those glasses.
People who sell a series can only do so if they actually own it. Then they can also ensure that those stamps are listed separately in the catalogue. It can therefore never happen that someone sells the series, unless it is first listed in its entirety on LD.
People who want to buy a series on LD can only do so if a seller has entered all stamps from that series in the catalog.
<1> puts the finger exactly on the sore spot.
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My concrete example proves otherwise...
<0> Your concrete example is about a situation that exactly underlines my point.

I can't easily think of an example of someone who entered a series and all the individual stamps.

Based on the serial item data, it is a breeze to add the item correctly, with minimal typing
As Dick also indicates, sellers find it too much trouble. I don't think people who just enter the series deserve encouragement.

I regularly see that people who place blocks also enter the separate stamps of them. Digitally cut loose, because of course they don't really have them loose in their collection. That seems positive, because such a loose stamp can exist, but I still see it as pollution of the catalog.

(I also have the same objection, for example, with collectors who enter individual stories from comic magazines as "cuttings", while you can often see from the image that they have the complete magazine.)
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Do you want a good example? Watch postmaster enter a series, including each stamp separately.
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Ukraine 2022 - Full Block "W" - Stamp No. 1985 “Russian warship, go …! Glory to Ukraine!”.
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€ 11,00
Österreich 1949 - Proof on aluminium foil in a block of four with Soecknick certificate - Michel 255U
Österreich 1949 - Proof on aluminium foil in a block of four with Soecknick certificate - Michel 255U
Endet in
€ 30,00
Italien 1944 - RSI – postage due 25 cents, block of 4 with inverted ‘G.N.R.’ overprint - Sass. N. 50/Ia
Italien 1944 - RSI – postage due 25 cents, block of 4 with inverted ‘G.N.R.’ overprint - Sass. N. 50/Ia
Endet in
€ 2,00
Österreich 1949 - 2.50 Schilling on silver foil with Soecknick photo certificate - Michel 255PU
Österreich 1949 - 2.50 Schilling on silver foil with Soecknick photo certificate - Michel 255PU
Endet in
€ 3,00
Italienische antike Staaten - Toskana 1859 - 2 crazie on letter with text from Massa Marittima for Florence of 29 June 1859 - sassone n° 13b
Italienische antike Staaten - Toskana 1859 - 2 crazie on letter with text from Massa Marittima for Florence of 29 June 1859 - sassone n° 13b
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€ 80,00
Afrikanische Länder 1920/1999 - Batch in nine stock books
Afrikanische Länder 1920/1999 - Batch in nine stock books
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€ 104,00
Länder Ost- und Nordeuropas - Old collection of stamps
Länder Ost- und Nordeuropas - Old collection of stamps
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€ 1,00