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September 11, 2021 15:28
Good day,
Where can I find all NVPH first day envelopes in the catalog?
Kind regards,
Marth

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September 11, 2021 16:03
Well Marth, you can find them all in the Stamps section under the Netherlands.
Then refine by type FDC.
Further refinement is not possible. For EDK and EDB of the Netherlands I once made the effort to put something in it so that you could easily take them out, separately per species. Dozens of hours of work. A few days later, someone had changed much of it back. Presumably someone who had never held an EDB in his hands before ...

So you can get everything in a pile, and click a lot, but neatly per type and per publisher ... not possible.
If you can't find one because of the chaos: just add it. Later, someone will refer to it as Doublure and the data will come together.
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For EDK and EDB of the Netherlands I once made the effort to put something in it so that you could easily take them out, individually per type.

What exactly do you mean Raoul62
Those are separate types anyway:

Do you mean you're missing a "publisher" field?
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There are so many types of first dailies ... I once filled a thread about it. And afterwards I only regretted the many hours I spent on it.
Neatly introduced via the forum, angling for even more knowledge and skills ...
Everything adapted from start to finish, according to a well-defined grid to search. Via the 'Details'. After that, part (but not all) has been modified because of periods and commas.
This is one of those threads, with regard to the first daily newspapers.

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September 11, 2021 16:22
And the solution, transcending the Netherlands, was nevertheless simple ...

Alternatively, a field is 'publisher' (such as printer) ... then that would also be a solution for the maximum cards that I will look at after the first daily papers and complete if feasible. And it would solve a lot for the FDCs. Both for the Netherlands and for Belgium. Remember, it's a mess there too.

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Do you mean you are missing a "publisher" field?

Alternatively, a field is 'publisher' (such as printer) ... then that would also be a solution for the maximum cards that I will look at after the first daily papers and complete if feasible. And it would solve a lot for the FDCs. Both for the Netherlands and for Belgium. Remember, it's a mess there too.

A field publisher should indeed be added Raoul62 ?
The point is that for most items in the stamp category, I don't think that is a useful field?
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Yes, but because the 'side issue' follows the 'main issue', the production work (EDB, FDS, FDC, Maximum cards, ...) is also in the same category, and the publisher is essential to make a sensible selection.
Printer alone will not get you there. A certain printer in the Netherlands did the printing for many publishers of custom work. Often thousands of items. And sometimes the printer is also the publisher (to profit from the market, of course).
Mixing printer with publisher is not an option.
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September 13, 2021 12:39
Look for instance at the Dutch Overseas areas only, just the FDC's ... Compass, Seal, Palmboom, Lion, ... There are FDC's with more than 10 different publishers. Sometimes from the same publisher, then also different derivatives (color, image on the cover, ...). Select FDCs from Suriname eg 1969.  Some are in it, a large part are not. But if you happen to only collect palm tree FDC's (the majority I assume) then it's a good look and ... click through.
Luckily most of them have the generally accepted NVPH E number on them. But not always.
EDB The Netherlands is more complicated. There are no E numbers there. And the catalog numbers of Enschedé, Visje and Select do not match. Take a look in the catalog 'Special collection areas of the Netherlands' of publishing house Zonnebloem BV (if you don't have the items to look up yourself).
Another important field with regard to the production is 'Number on the item'. That too is missing. Which doesn't make management, searching, adding, buying, collecting with LD, ... any easier.
For Maximum cards, an extremely important collecting area outside the Netherlands (just ask the Americans), ditto.
Items in the stamp category: FDC: ca 42,500 - Maximum cards: ca 7,200 - EDB: 4,200 - EDK: ca 1,200 - Occasion card and envelope: ca 9,000 ...
Should the American find the way to LD for Max cards ... From Every stamp in the world sometimes contains dozens of different maximum cards. Who can count ...
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The point is that that is not a useful field for most items in the stamp section, I think?
I see quite a few fields in this section that are almost never filled in. One more or less...
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September 13, 2021 13:02
I see quite a lot of fields in this section that are almost never filled in. One more or less...

But no fields that are not relevant for stamps? stripspeldjes   
Whether a field is filled in a lot or little is something else I think is different than adding a field that is not relevant for the items for which the section is originally intended.
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September 13, 2021 13:05
Raoul62 
So what you would like concretely is to add the fields publisher and number ?
Then only fill in both in case it concerns not the stamp itself but a derivative product such as an FDC etc. 

How do the other stamp collectors view this?
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It is indeed.
Actually a question for the users of the stamps section, who mainly also collect crafts. But I'm afraid that not too many stuck on LD, because they couldn't get charmed as those things are now on it. I wrote once, months ago, that I should look for a different solution for those things.
Indicating your collection, and a targeted search to expand your collection (buy), assumes that you can also select fine (funnel) . That you can limit the number of items shown in gallery mode (with those ingenious icons below the thumbnail) to the strictly necessary within which you want to search/collect.
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I actually think we could also display the fields dynamically on the input/edit form and with the catalog items. So only with certain types (FDC etc.) Then you wouldn't be bothered with "regular stamps".
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And vice versa, don't show (and empty or keep) the many fields that are redundant in FDC, FDS, ... if applicable. Then I think that the fields that do matter would be filled in better. After all, with those types a field such as 'Tanding' is completely unnecessary.
When adding eg an FDC, the starting point is usually an item (individual stamp or series). To ensure that you have the correct issue, title, catalog numbers, stamp(s), themes, etc. Then it sometimes happens that the fields specific to the stamps are not cleared (requires quite a bit of work).

Fields that are superfluous for those types are: Nominal value, Perforation, Watermark, Luminescence, Printing technique, Paper and Gum.
Another field would be useful: Material (paper, cardboard, plastic). First day tickets eg can have a plastic base, or cardboard. Or Form:  sheet, folder, folder, bank card, combination (think of the ECU letters or the Teleletters, typical for the Netherlands), ...

But then you start to divide heavily into sections within the same section ... and that's not to be the case anymore. Only make facilities so that a specific collector gets his/her convenience neatly selected / presented. And not an endless chaotic list with something here and there that could be relevant. With publisher as an additional field (and associated Filter) alone you come pretty close then.
In addition, making switching between 'Standard' and 'Everything' a bit more user-friendly. Not like now: switch from 'All' back to 'Standard' and all your additional filters (sort, from, to, ...) are gone. Then you give up.
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